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Totally untrue, and the Supreme Court has struck down multiple state laws that have tried to say that.They can ask you to identify yourself, but you are in no way required to show any sort of documentation to back up what you tell them.
See, documentation of facts is only hard when that documentation doesn't exist.
We are talking about Florida adopting the same law as Arizona and it does require those who have been stopped to provide ID.
Think about it, if you cannot provide proper ID and when given the chance to provide it then you are illegally trespassing and will be forced to provide documents that you are here legally.
Think it through, you link tells me nothing.
If an illegal is pulled over for speeding and he does not have any ID on him at all dont you think at some point he/she will be asked to provide some kind of ID and when they cannot, they are toast?
Since you want to quote the above, how about quoting the SC decision that is suppose to enforce the laws of illegals not be here? If they are here illegally they are criminals and will be treated as such and should be deported. Of course once they are arrested for not proving they are US citizens.
Where did I EVER say I wanted illegals to be here, or ANYONE to be committing crime? I NEVER did, so don't you dare put words like that in my mouth.
If they're all over Google, why can't you find them and show me? If you don't even know where these "facts" and "statistics" are at, that only says to me you don't know what you're talking about because you never even saw them yourself.
Whatever!
So I will make is easier for you.
Are you for illegals being here?
When one is caught what do you suggest we do with them? Since we know there are 30 million of them here.
I wont do your homework.
Google is your friend and that facts clearly show that we have far too many illegals in our prisons here in America costing us taxpayers tons of money.
So the Arizona rancher who was just murdered by illegals doesnt tell you what we problem we are having?
Florida has better wake up and start looking into the same law as Arizona.
We must protect our borders and deport every single illegal.
Florida has an unemployment problem which is partly caused by the illegals stealing Americans jobs.
Time for Operation catch and deport.
I decided to teach you few things about your friends the illegals.
In addition, violent crime and drug distribution and possession is also prevalent among illegal aliens. Over 25% of today's federal prison population are illegal aliens.
In some areas of the country, 12% of felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34% of thefts are committed by illegal aliens."
Illegal aliens commit between 700,000 to 1,289,000 or more crimes per year.
Illegal aliens commit at least 2,158 murders each year – a number that represents three times greater participation than their proportion of the population.
How about all these people who were murdered by illegals?
Of course, this is a hot topic, with folks on both sides having strong opinions.
I remind everyone, you can debate the issue, but NOT be rude or disrespectful to other posters.
I have yet to see some good answers to some questions, like;
1) Doesn't the word "illegal" mean it is against the law? Like being a criminal?
Should not criminals be dealt with? When is it "OK" to continue being a
criminal?
2) If I enter the country of Mexico, or any other foreign country, being a U.S.
citizen, illegally, and stay there illegally, do those other countries treat me
differently then we treat "illegals"? Would I get free healthcare, schooling
etc? What "rights", if any, would I have??
3) Don't we have legal ways to become a U.S. citizen?
4) What percentage of "illegals" do needed work here that no one else would
do?
5) What amount of crimes, etc., are committed by "illegals", and what is the
cost of dealing with that?
6) Why do people think "illegals" have the same rights as U.S. citizens?
7) If this law is so wrong, how else should this problem be dealt with? I do
not think the answer is making our country as poor as the places they are
coming from, so they would not be "upgrading"......
8) Does not a state have the right to fix a problem if the Federal Gov't does
not?
I carry my license with me all the time. I would not mind showing it once in awhile to prove my legality. Living here is a privilege, not a right. The folks who seem to be all bent about this law do not seem to come up with solutions.
I prevent criminals from entering my home by having good locks. If they do get in, they would be met with deadly force........legally. I do not get rid of my good stuff in hopes of discouraging them from wanting anything. I do not try to bargain with them. I do not try to give them whatever they want so they hopefully go away.
Illegal folks here are a slap in the face to all other immigrants who worked hard to be here legally. When I hear that Mexico is upset at this law I shake my head......who gives that country a right to even HAVE an opinion? When I go to Mexico what rights do I have??
Folks who do not believe in protecting our freedoms do not deserve to enjoy them.
Here is something I found googling. It is supposed to be from the L.A. Times;
From the L. A. Times
1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
10.. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
(There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County . )
(All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times)
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ' annual population growth(and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens .
If you really want to read some interesting stuff, do a search on the phrase, "Operation *******". I know it is a offensive word to some, and snopes says it is still researching it, but it is supposed to be a Gov't program back in the 1950's where they sent back a large amount of illegals to make jobs available to troops returning from war. This has supposed to have happened 3 times in our history by three presidents.
If anyone could produce proof or disproof of this, or anything posted here it would be interesting.
If an illegal is pulled over for speeding and he does not have any ID on him at all dont you think at some point he/she will be asked to provide some kind of ID and when they cannot, they are toast?
Anyone must carry a license to operate a vehicle on public roadways. That's always fair game. But that's only the driver. The other five people in the vehicle have no such requirement since they are not performing an activity that requires a license. Half the time I don't bother to grab a purse or wallet if I'm riding shotgun for errands around time. The spousal unit has his wallet and cash/credit card, so why should I have to bother to lug my bag around?
As for the statistics upthread, it's patently silly to try to extrapolate statistics from Los Angeles and claim they apply to other parts of the country. It's not like the drug cartels have taken over the ghettos or Baltimore or Camden.
When one is caught what do you suggest we do with them? Since we know there are 30 million of them here.
I wont do your homework.
Google is your friend
Interesting. You get your facts and figures from a site called, "The Dark Side Of Illegal Immigration- Facts, Figures And Statistics On Illegal Immigration"
I'm sure this is a reputable, non bias source.
Here, please educate yourself. You're right, Google is our friend and this quick search only took me 5 minutes:
Quote:
1. "$11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year."
This item is completely false. The link given to "verify" the claim actually leads to an issue brief by the conservative Federation for American Immigration Reform (http://factchecked.org/Sfts_ForTheCauseDetails.aspx?myId=41 - broken link). But the FAIR brief says nothing of the sort. It says: "Each year, state governments spend an estimated $11 billion to $22 billion to provide welfare to immigrants." That’s welfare payments in 2001 to all immigrants – both legal and illegal – plus households including U.S. citizens if they are headed by a person who was born outside the United States.
The site says the FAIR report was last updated in October 2002, but a footnote credits this statistic to a March 2003 report from the Center for Immigration Studies (http://factchecked.org/Sfts_ForTheCauseDetails.aspx?myId=40 - broken link). CIS began as an off-shoot of FAIR. But the CIS report doesn’t actually say anything about $11 billion or $22 billion. And it explains that its references to "immigrant households" include persons here legally and persons born outside the U.S.
CIS report: Like the Census Bureau, and other academic work that has examined this question, this report looks at welfare use by immigrant and native households. Households are defined as immigrant or native based on the nativity of the household head. As already indicated, this report uses the terms immigrant and foreign-born synonymously.
CIS estimated that welfare payments to illegal immigrant households averaged $1,040 per household in 2001, mainly Medicaid "on behalf of their U.S.-born children." But the report did not attempt to come up with a total for all such households. 2. "$2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens." 3. "$2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens."
These figures supposedly come from a 2004 report by CIS that estimated the costs to the federal government of households headed by illegal immigrants in 2002. But the CIS report actually put the costs of food stamp, WIC and free school lunch programs to "illegal alien households" at $1.9 billion, not the $2.2 billion claimed in the e-mail. The $2.5 billion figure for Medicaid to such households is quoted accurately, but again, much of this was in benefits for U.S.-born children, who are citizens.
Most interesting is that the CIS report includes a total net cost estimate to the federal government for illegal immigrants of just under $10.4 billion for the year, after accounting for the taxes these immigrants paid. That doesn’t include any potential costs to state or local governments, but it’s a far cry from this e-mail’s cost claim of $338.3 billion.
CIS report: Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.
Even CIS’ figures have been questioned by other researchers. The Urban Institute reviewed a related 2003 CIS paper and concluded that its "methods overstate the percentage of the population receiving Medicaid and the share of immigrants on Medicaid, resulting in misleading conclusions about welfare use among immigrants."
Even so, the CIS report actually rebuts claims repeated by this chain e-mail:
CIS: Our findings show that many of the preconceived notions about the fiscal impact of illegal households turn out to be inaccurate. In terms of welfare use, receipt of cash assistance programs tends to be very low, while Medicaid use, though significant, is still less than for other households. Only use of food assistance programs is significantly higher than that of the rest of the population. Also, contrary to the perceptions that illegal aliens don’t pay payroll taxes, we estimate that more than half of illegals work “on the books.”
4. "$12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!" 5."$17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies."
Both links given to "verify" these claims lead to an April 1, 2006, episode of "Lou Dobbs Tonight" on CNN. During the show, correspondent Christine Romans cited both of these stats and attributed them to FAIR. A FAIR research paper from 2005 does include these cost projections, but a closer look shows that the underlying assumptions are inflated or unsupported.
The FAIR report starts with the presumption that there are "1.5 million school-aged illegal immigrants residing in the United States." That figure is attributed to an Urban Institute presentation that doesn’t actually say that. Instead, the Urban Institute said: "We estimate that there are about 1.4 million undocumented children under 18 with about 1.1 million of school age (5 -19)."
The FAIR report also assumes there are 2 million "U.S.-born siblings" of illegal immigrant families. However, the Urban Institute makes no estimates of U.S.-born siblings and FAIR gives no citation for its figure. And in any case, again, those U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants are themselves U.S. citizens and not "illegal aliens." 6. "$3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens." 7. "30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens."
Both of these claims can be traced back to that same April 1, 2006, episode of "Lou Dobbs Tonight" on CNN, in the same segment, with the same correspondent, Christine Romans. But the e-mail misrepresents what Romans said. She gave figures for people who are "not U.S. citizens," a category that would include legal residents as well as "illegal aliens."
Romans said that "according to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, 30 percent of federal prisoners are not U.S. citizens," adding that "most are thought to be illegal aliens." Actually, the Federal Bureau of Prisons does not keep figures on illegal immigrants. What solid numbers we can find point to a much smaller figure. A Department of Justice report from 2003 found (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/p03.pdf - broken link) that only 1.6 percent of the state and federal prison populations was under Immigration and Customs Enforcement jurisdiction, and thus known to be illegal immigrants. Half of these prisoners were detained only because they were here illegally, not for other crimes.
The Bureau of Prisons does track prisoners by offense when information is available. By that metric, 10.7 percent of prisoners in federal jails were incarcerated for immigration offenses in 2009. In 2006, when Romans gave her report, the figure was 10.2 percent.
The "$3 million dollar a day" figure is based on the false assumption that 30 percent of all inmates are illegal immigrants, and thus is greatly inflated. 8. "$90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers."
The link to "verify" this claim is dead. However, we found a transcript of a Lou Dobbs episode on Oct. 29, 2006, in which Robert Rector of the conservative Heritage Foundation made the following statement:
Robert Rector, Oct. 29, 2006: Well, assuming that we have about 11 million immigrants in the U.S., the net cost or the total cost of services and benefits provided to them, education, welfare, general social services would be about $90 billion a year, and they would pay very little in taxes. It’s important to remember that at least half of illegal immigrants are high school dropouts.
We checked with Rector, who said he was referring to both legal and illegal low-skill immigrant households (those headed by someone who doesn’t have a high school diploma). His research also looked at many forms of government spending per household, including money spent on parks and transportation. 9. "$200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens."
Again, this is from that same April 1, 2006, Lou Dobbs episode. On the show, Dobbs said that "estimates by the most authoritative and recent study put the suppressed wages at $200 billion a year, as a result of immigration, both legal and illegal." The e-mail continues its practice of ignoring any distinction between legal and illegal immigration.
We couldn’t find any study that supported Dobb’s figure. 10. "The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US"
This is false. The "verify" link leads to yet another transcript of Lou Dobbs speaking with Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation. This one is dated June 12, 2006, and Rector says, "Hispanics in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-Hispanics."
Rector said Hispanics, not illegal immigrants, as the e-mail alleges. Considering there are 45.4 million Hispanics (http://pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/hispanics2007/Table%201.pdf - broken link) in the country, and an estimated 11.9 million illegal immigrants, the distinction is notable. Rector’s statistic for all Hispanics is correct, according (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/p03.pdf - broken link) to a 2003 report from the Justice Department. 11. " During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. "
The link goes to a 2006 report written (http://www.house.gov/mccaul/pdf/Investigaions-Border-Report.pdf - broken link) by the Republican staff of the House Subcommittee on Investigations of the Committee on Homeland Security. To start, the "19,500" number of "illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries" is nowhere to be found in this report. In fact, the report estimates the number of illegal immigrants coming over the southern border from countries known to harbor terrorists to be in the "hundreds." We’ve seen a similar scare tactic used previously in ads advocating for a border fence.
And the 4 million to 10 million statistic is extrapolated using some imprecise reasoning. The committee report figures that since "Border Patrol apprehended approximately 1.2 million illegal aliens" in 2005 and since "Federal law enforcement estimates that 10 percent to 30 percent of illegal aliens are actually apprehended," that "therefore, in 2005, as many as 10 to 4 million [sic] illegal aliens crossed into the United States." That simplistic math produces a figure starkly different from more widely accepted estimates. The Pew Hispanic Center estimated that in 2005 there were 11.1 million illegal immigrants total, living in the United States. The center also estimated that about 500,000 illegal immigrants a year came to the U.S. from 2005 to 2008. 12. "The National Policy Institute, ‘estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.’ "
No, it didn’t. The National Policy Institute, a group that says it promotes the rights of "white Americans," ironically was citing figures from the liberal Center for American Progress in a report that argued against mass deportation of undocumented workers. CAP said such deportation would cost more per year than the entire Department of Homeland Security budget, illustrating "the false allure of deportation as a response to our broken immigration system." 13. "In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin."
This is another bogus figure. The email’s link leads to the original Frosty Wooldridge article, which in turn cites as its source for this figure a link to a Contra-Costa Times article, which is no longer working. Nevertheless, we were able to find a news release from the Inter-American Development Bank stating Latin American immigrants sent $45 billion in remittances in 2006. But that figure applies to all immigrants, including legal residents. 14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States."
Once again, the "verify" link is dead. But a little Internet research found the article cited. An independently published, non-peer-reviewed study did estimate that nearly a million sex crimes have been committed by illegal immigrants over a seven-year period, but it employs some highly creative math and interesting assumptions to get there. The "study" is actually a pretty good case study in bad research.
The author assumes that 2 percent of illegal immigrants are sex offenders after "examining ICE reports and public records," but does not say how that figure was calculated. A bibliography cites miscellaneous Immigration and Customs Enforcement press releases and media accounts of instances of apprehending illegal immigrants who were sex offenders (seemingly manufacturing a "rate" based on anecdotal evidence). The author then makes no distinction between male and female illegal immigrants when estimating the number that are "sex offenders."
As we’ve said before, anonymous chain e-mails making dramatic claims are quite likely to be false. And that goes even for those that may seem to cite legitimate sources. This one is yet another good candidate for the "delete" key. – Justin Bank Sources
No, Florida shouldn't follow Arizona's lead-it doesn't alter anything. What are they going to do-throw everyone in jail who doesn't have an ID? Who's going to pay for that? What bothers me more than the illegal alien problem is the hatred, I mean mouth foaming, spittle flying, vein popping hatred some have for illegals and towards anyone who dares to disagree with their simplistic and un-American way to deal with the problem. So go ahead, Florida Legislature-pass a law like Arizona's (you know you really, really want to). In ten years you'll have the same problem, if not worse.
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