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Originally Posted by Barbara

It's already happening. A few more bad storms and it's over. Are there any real solutions? This should be the top priority of every elected official in the state.

If you're going to gamble, the house always wins.
All insurance is gambling, in case you weren't aware.

Real Solution is simple -
Build disaster resistant housing.

Several companies have products that have a demonstrated track record of hurricane resistance:
[] Deltec Homes [segmented circular homes]

[] Monolithic Dome Homes [concrete + polyurethane]

[] Tri-D-Panel (SCIP) [Concrete sandwich wall construction]

[] American Ingenuity Concrete Geodesic Domes [concrete + foam insulation]

. . . .
Air cannon test for walls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8hs1e1ET4M


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SCIP - Structural Concrete Insulated Panel - basically a concrete sandwich around insulating foam. Once the cement skins cure, it's a monolithic structure that won't peel apart in a high wind. And if the concrete skins are thick enough, can handle impacts from flying debris.

[beach43ofus]

Originally Posted by movin1

House I sold in Naples in April 2019 is now worth almost twice what I sold it for. It was a nice house, but it's not worth nearly what the current asking price would be in my opinion. $/sq ft is crazy there now. Prices had dropped a lot due to Hurricane Irma when I sold. Lots of people wanted to get out after that, including me. It will be interesting to see what happens to home prices when the next hurricane causes lots of damage there.

If hurricane's in FLA reduced home prices, then how did we get to the sky high price level we have now?

Hurricane's have minimal impact on prices, over the long haul, statewide. They might even increase prices because the rebuilt homes cost more than the destroyed homes, & they create market churn.

Plus, each time they rebuild, they make homes stronger. Our near new home coasted through a CAT 4 w/ 2 roof tiles sliding out of place. Tougher building codes drive home prices upward. Future storms will not have as much impact upon the newer stronger homes/condo's.

Gov't also gets smarter each storm by modifying zoning laws to move homes further away from the water, & built up higher, when near water.

[LKJ1988]

Originally Posted by SanyBelle

Do you mean Ian in 2022? Or Irma in 2017?

Or charlie in 04. I can't buy a cane jane.

[Dave_n_Tenn]

Originally Posted by Barbara

It's already happening. A few more bad storms and it's over. Are there any real solutions? This should be the top priority of every elected official in the state.

Many people missed the 'sale'. Watch for the next one or pay full price. Economics 101.

[Dave_n_Tenn]

Actually in many places new homes are being overbuilt. My home town of Stuart Florida still has homes constructed in the late 19th century that have not been destroyed by storms... some right on the beach.

There are No 150 MPH 2x4's flying around in storms that have ever gone through walls. What's more likely to happen is a Palm frond or a tree limb or a barrel tile or an aluminum shed hitting the home. Maybe a lawn chair or a garbage can or a mailbox... but no 2x4's shooting through the air like Hercules throwing a javelin.

After my many years responding to (50+) Hurricane disasters throughout the SE United States from SC to TX... I have a pretty good understanding of what works and what fails. Not a perfect understanding, but a pretty good idea.

[MOforthewin]

Originally Posted by beach43ofus

If hurricane's in FLA reduced home prices, then how did we get to the sky high price level we have now?

Hurricane's have minimal impact on prices, over the long haul, statewide. They might even increase prices because the rebuilt homes cost more than the destroyed homes, & they create market churn.

Plus, each time they rebuild, they make homes stronger. Our near new home coasted through a CAT 4 w/ 2 roof tiles sliding out of place. Tougher building codes drive home prices upward. Future storms will not have as much impact upon the newer stronger homes/condo's.

Gov't also gets smarter each storm by modifying zoning laws to move homes further away from the water, & built up higher, when near water.

Depends where they hit. A cat 5 into downtown miami exiting naples would be horrific. I mean an Andrew but the eyewall mowing over downtown. Not south of miami like andrew. If that happened and then a major hurricane hit tampa the same year the economy of fl would be smashed.

With Ian it was a slow mover. Due to land interaction the intense winds didn't hit places like ft. Myers. Ft. Myers lucky to even have had low end cat2 winds. Land interaction and dry air on the eastern eyewall really ate it up.

The cat4 winds were over boca grande, Sanibel. Low end cat4 winds over englewood, Port charlotte.

You'd be amazed how little wind damage in downtown ft. Myers.

The most heavy populated places in swfl didn't get the cat4 winds in Ian. Even ft. Myers beach was just outside the strongest winds. Mid to upper end cat3 winds there.

People don't understand how if andrew was just 10 miles north how much more catastrophic andrew would have been.

Dorian, remember the models have stalling over miami as a strong cat5. Cant imagine how horrific and the carnage that would have caused.

Ian was bad, but could been tons tons worse surge wise too. Nowhere did surge hit 18 ft as forecasted.

[LKJ1988]

Not a thing in my area since 921.

[Dave_n_Tenn]

Originally Posted by MOforthewin

Depends where they hit. A cat 5 into downtown miami exiting naples would be horrific. I mean an Andrew but the eyewall mowing over downtown. Not south of miami like andrew. If that happened and then a major hurricane hit tampa the same year the economy of fl would be smashed.

With Ian it was a slow mover. Due to land interaction the intense winds didn't hit places like ft. Myers. Ft. Myers lucky to even have had low end cat2 winds. Land interaction and dry air on the eastern eyewall really ate it up.

The cat4 winds were over boca grande, Sanibel. Low end cat4 winds over englewood, Port charlotte.

You'd be amazed how little wind damage in downtown ft. Myers.

The most heavy populated places in swfl didn't get the cat4 winds in Ian. Even ft. Myers beach was just outside the strongest winds. Mid to upper end cat3 winds there.

People don't understand how if andrew was just 10 miles north how much more catastrophic andrew would have been.

Dorian, remember the models have stalling over miami as a strong cat5. Cant imagine how horrific and the carnage that would have caused.

Ian was bad, but could been tons tons worse surge wise too. Nowhere did surge hit 18 ft as forecasted.

No one from south Tx to the outer banks of NC is immune. In fact the strongest hurricane in the US made landfall in Florida Keys in 1935. Before documentation/recording wind speed of Gales (the word hurricane was even used) , in 1815 Rhode Island had (est) Cat 4.

You can bet the ranch if that happened today, the climate change extremists would be calling it a result of global warming.

[MOforthewin]

Originally Posted by Dave_n_Tenn

No one from south Tx to the outer banks of NC is immune. In fact the strongest hurricane in the US made landfall in Florida Keys in 1935. Before documentation/recording wind speed of Gales (the word hurricane was even used) , in 1815 Rhode Island had (est) Cat 4.

You can bet the ranch if that happened today, the climate change extremists would be calling it a result of global warming.

NC gets a lot of hurricanes, BUT usually not cat4 or cat5. They're cat1 to low end cat3.

Labor Day storm an interesting one. It's been revised to 185mph. However, most experts agree the sustained winds in the labor day storm likely were probably 205mphish, probably gusts to 235. Think of a Charley sized storm but a lot more intense.

Those compact storms like Labor Day, Camille, Charlie, etc always seem to have more violent winds mixing down to the surface. My guess is due to the tighter pressure gradient in the eyewall.

That would be a worse case. You have a cat2 like the Labor Day storm heading for somewhere like Miami or Ft. Lauderdale. It then explodes and becomes a cat5 right before landfall.

Katrina in 2005 was ready to explode right at landfall near Miami. Had Katrina had 8 more hours over water it would have been a 125mph storm right into Miami with everyone caught off guard.

Jeanne in 2004 another. Right as it made landfall the eyewall was ready to crank but ran out of time.

Joe Bastardi has also said this before. If Florida gets back to a pattern of the 1920s to 1940s with major hurricane strikes there is going to be BIG problems, especially for SE Florida.

[MOforthewin]

This is a good example for Cape Coral and parts of Lee County.

That price is almost alarming and it still hasn't moved for months. Seeing a lot of this stuff in that area. A house like that would have gone for 520k in 2021 in Cape Coral over 2200sq. New roof installed and Gulf access. New roof good for the insurance too that require newer roofs.

Gotta be Bidenomics and interest rates at work with stuff like this.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2...68093941_zpid/