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Old 12-26-2013, 06:44 PM
 
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"If you go to school and learn, you could become anything you want to be," says the Baby Boomer. We, Millennials, were sold a false dream as kids.
Bull. A degree doesn't guarantee anything. Never has, never will. I was never promised any such thing and I don't know anyone that was. Hard work, drive, and perseverance, is much more important.
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Old 12-27-2013, 04:38 AM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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That's just not true.

Most of the doctors I know were at the top of their class all of their life.

Which means they got As in EVERYTHING.

President Obama was a Poli Sci Major and then went to Harvard Law. How do I think he would have done if he was a Berkeley Comp Sci major? I think he would have been a straight A student or close to it.

I think a lot of people can succeed at both, which is not say that some people are better at one than the other. But it's not correct to say that you're either right or left brained. Silliness.
C'mon, the President of the United States? Outside of a few who will remain nameless, I hardly think the POTUS is representative of the general population.

I'm only saying that MOST people have aptitudes in specific areas of study over another/s. With the exception of a very small percentage of "simply good at everything" folks, even highly intelligent humans have both strengths and weakness. Trust me, I went to a prep school full of "future doctors" & Ivy Leaguers - so I know who struggled through the liberal arts, and would not have been happy following those career paths. Getting As in a subject doesn't mean you'll excel in its advanced studies, nor that you will contribute to or be happy in the related professions.

Sooooo why would anyone suggest a non-technical thinker major in engineering? If you have to fight for that A grade, you probably shouldn't consider said subject as a lifelong career. Get what I'm trying to say now? On a personal note, it sucks that my strengths lean more towards the non-lucrative (music, writing, etc)... but thankfully I found a decent-paying career which suits my skills, as is the perfect conclusion to this issue.

Finally, I never said the left vs right-brained thing was literal - which is why I added "as they call it," implying that I don't buy into the concept myself. Just not sure how else to phrase it, when I'm trying to differentiate between creative-type thinkers vs "technical" thinkers.

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Old 12-27-2013, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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"Creative vs technical" is actually a pretty good description.
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Old 12-27-2013, 07:37 AM
 
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Bull. A degree doesn't guarantee anything. Never has, never will. I was never promised any such thing and I don't know anyone that was. Hard work, drive, and perseverance, is much more important.
Very true. There have ALWAYS been those majors that people knew were limited as far as jobs. Art majors very often found themselves working in gas stations --- nothing at all new about needing to do some research on what major you should declare and work towards.
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Old 12-27-2013, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Um, the point is that there is no degree that can magically guarantee someone a job. Even people with business and tech degree can find themselves struggling to obtain employment.
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Old 12-27-2013, 09:21 AM
 
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I wouldn't say that any degree guarantees employment but frankly in areas where there are few participants it's pretty much the only way to get experience.

One could try to make the argument that people were "promised" things but then again baby boomers were promised that somehow retirement exists when it was largely a social experiment made in Germany during the 1880's! No one has ever specifically stated how tens upon tens of millions of people are going to be able to retire while they sell the same stocks off at roughly the same time in their lives over a period of 20 years (2015-2035). Sure the market is up now retirees have to sell their investments off for retirement. Social security obviously is not enough. It is hard to justify investing in such a liquid asset when the participants are using the same time frames.
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Old 12-27-2013, 10:06 AM
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This is very true.

And it doesn't help that there are people here throwing around 60K salaries as the number to expect when you get out of school, some of them housewives and trolls.
If you graduate with a degree in computer science, math or physics, I can see how you could be making 60K within, say, 3 years of graduating, even if you come from a state school.
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Old 12-27-2013, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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If you graduate with a degree in computer science, math or physics, I can see how you could be making 60K within, say, 3 years of graduating, even if you come from a state school.
Could people PLEASE quit slamming state schools? There are some damn good ones out there, and not everyone can afford the cost of or wants to shoulder the enormous debt involved in going to a private university.
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Old 12-27-2013, 02:05 PM
 
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I don't see what specifically is negative about a state school. Especially given that private schools are far more likely to close. From a funding perspective there have been arguments that the Federal government is going to cut off FAFSA loans to private institutions. Besides if you are going to spend tens of thousands on anything wouldn't you rather deal with one that is more open with policies, rules, procedures and financial books?

Private school does not impress people like it did before. Even from the professor perspective it still doesn't make sense to try to work in a private school outside of a adjunct. Tenure in public education is pretty open. How does one get it in private? Who knows...
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