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Old 12-28-2016, 04:46 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Good find. Definitely is Med-like. But are there closer ones? I don't know.

For the love of god, this Victorian climate confuses the hell out of me. Is it Mediterranean or semi-arid? It also seems rather "oceanic", but its summer are too hot for that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendigo#Climate
Definitely where I'd live if I was forced to live in Russia.

And as for Bendigo, it's a tricky one. I wish Koppen introduced a "warm oceanic" climate into his system, because most of Victoria would then fall under that.

Probably just steppe (Bsk) for now. It has very low humidity, so I think the evapotranspiration is higher or just as high as the rainfall. Not mediterranean at all, there is not enough of a difference between summer and winter rainfall, and it can't be strictly oceanic either because of those summers.
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Old 12-28-2016, 04:51 AM
 
Location: Finland
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I wish Koppen introduced a "warm oceanic" climate into his system
He died in 1940, so he's not changing anything.
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Old 12-28-2016, 04:56 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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He died in 1940, so he's not changing anything.
no sh*t, I'm saying I WISH he did
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Old 12-28-2016, 05:01 AM
 
Location: Foreignorland 58 N, 17 E.
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Bendigo I'd call a subtropical climate, and due to enough precipitation it is an odd humid one... I know it sounds absurd given the summer humidity, but due to the amount of rainfall squeezed in and the lack of exceptional winter rainfall I feel like there's no choice in giving it a Csa...
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Old 12-28-2016, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Finland
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no sh*t, I'm saying I WISH he did
Got it. I WISH Köppen would be forgotten for all eternity, his classifications are not accurate to the contemporary global climate.
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Old 12-28-2016, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Foreignorland 58 N, 17 E.
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Got it. I WISH Köppen would be forgotten for all eternity, his classifications are not accurate to the contemporary global climate.
Because the warm latitudes have moved farther north/south or why?

Udine, Italy is a really impressive subtropical climate by the way! (46 N inland)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udine#Climate
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Old 12-28-2016, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Got it. I WISH Köppen would be forgotten for all eternity, his classifications are not accurate to the contemporary global climate.
Yeah, this. I think we should ditch it and use Trewartha's system (albeit, a slightly modified version of it).
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Old 12-28-2016, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Foreignorland 58 N, 17 E.
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Yeah, this. I think we should ditch it and use Trewartha's system (albeit, a slightly modified version of it).
What do you think of my subtropical threshold (a hybrid between Köppen and Trewartha?)

* All months above 2C
* If warmest month above 22C and coldest above 2C it passes.
* If warmest month above 20C and coldest above 6C it passes.
* If warmest month above 18C and coldest month above 10C it passes.
* If all months above 12C it's always a subtropical climate.

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Old 12-28-2016, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Because the warm latitudes have moved farther north/south or why?

Udine, Italy is a really impressive subtropical climate by the way! (46 N inland)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udine#Climate
Yes, both south and north. Because Köppen published his classification first in 1884 with revisions in 1918 and 1936. The data and climate normals he had were from the end of the 'little ice age', the weather stations were few, and he painted the world's climate and flora with a very wide brush.
Even more, considering the climate of today, the -3C treshold for a 'continental' and 'subtropical' climate is ridiculous. Especially you Swedes who want's to use it are using double standards. First you say that the 61-90 normals are ancient, but at the same time use an ancient definition by Wladimir Köppen which is 150 years old.

The annual mean temp of Helsinki and the dataset span which Köppen used. Is it representative for today's climate? No:

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Old 12-28-2016, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Foreignorland 58 N, 17 E.
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Even more, considering the climate of today, the -3C treshold for a 'continental' and 'subtropical' climate is ridiculous. Especially you Swedes who want's to use it are using double standards. First you say that the 61-90 normals are ancient, but at the same time use an ancient definition by Wladimir Köppen which is 150 years old.
Lommaraja Perkele Saatanainen?
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