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You see that? Outside of the US South, if you want to grow coconut palms outside the tropics, you have to be on islands in the middle of the ocean. Correct me if I am wrong, but the US South seems to be the only place on the planet where you can grow coconuts on the mainland outside the tropics. The Gulf of Mexico is a very warm ocean that warms the climate up significantly, and sends insular conditions far into the interior of North America (the subtropical region in North America extends farther inland than any other subtropical region in the world).
Considering that most of the Florida panhandle are to cold to be zone 9 shows the usa doesn't have a big subtropical zone. What it has is a big warm temperate zone which is different than subtropical.
Considering that most of the Florida panhandle are to cold to be zone 9 shows the usa doesn't have a big subtropical zone. What it has is a big warm temperate zone which is different than subtropical.
The USA has a HUGE subtropical zone compared to the rest of the planet; the shoreline of North America has very huge indentations compared to the rest of the large continents, allowing insular conditions to prevail well into the interior. This is how even southern Illinois has a subtropical climate with giant trees draped with thick, Spanish moss.
On average, Cairo's low elevation and proximity to the Mississippi River and the Ohio River prevent strong winter lows and plunging temperatures, however during the summer months those similar features hold in heat and humidity, creating muggy conditions.
Brisbane doesn't count as it is located in Australia, and ISLAND in the middle of the ocean.
Australia counts as a continent, it's a big landmass. Your argument fails.
Coconut palms also grow in Durban,SA (29.53 S) but they aren't very healthy.
The US South is subtropical paradise due to that Gulf of Mexico influence. It is a very warm ocean, like bath water, and thus, locations by the body of water have warm, wet subtropical climates compared to other places at the same latitude. The US South has NATIVE crocodililians and parrots, as well as palm trees, all of which are indicators of warm climates. The US South has a TROPICAL region OUTSIDE the tropics, that is how warm it is.
No, it really isn't a sub-tropical paradise, repeating it doesn't make it true
Many places outside of the tropics have native palms & parrots & crocodillians don't make somewhere 'tropical' or a paradise either lol
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The fact that those papayas can grow with that quality in H-Town shows just how subtropical the city is. Jalepenos, sugar cane, papayas, stawberries, mangoes, loqauts, litchis, Queen Palms, Dates, etc can all be cultivated in H-Town easily. A huge sugar cane empire exists around the city, and extends down the coastline to South Texas and east to Louisiana.
And those can all be grown in plenty of other places too, again doesn't make somewhere a "sub-tropical paradise"...
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The coastline of the US South fits that description quite well!
The USA has a HUGE subtropical zone compared to the rest of the planet; the shoreline of North America has very huge indentations compared to the rest of the large continents, allowing insular conditions to prevail well into the interior. This is how even southern Illinois has a subtropical climate with giant trees draped with thick, Spanish moss.
Sutropical jungles in Illinois!!! LMFAO!!!! This guy is really taking the piss now.
Giant trees with thick moss eh? Sounds like the classic cool temperate rainforest to me. Would be common feature in climates like Tasmania and Britain.
Australia can be called a country, a continent, or an island. So what I said was, in fact, true.
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Australia counts as a continent, it's a big landmass. Your argument fails.
Coconut palms also grow in Durban,SA (29.53 S) but they aren't very healthy.
Australia is also considered an island too.
Like I said, the US South is the only place on the planet where you can grow TALL AND HEALTHY coconut palms on the MAINLAND. You see this on the Texas and Florida coastline.
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No, it really isn't a sub-tropical paradise, repeating it doesn't make it true
Many places outside of the tropics have native palms & parrots & crocodillians don't make somewhere 'tropical' or a paradise either lol
And those can all be grown in plenty of other places too, again doesn't make somewhere a "sub-tropical paradise"...
They are nice, but not exactly the Maldives are they? And now You are including Miami & Florida to try & prove your point lol
The US South is one of the few subtropical climates where plentiful rain is spread evenly throughout the year, allowing things to look lush and green in both summer AND winter. Most other subtropical climates have either a monsoonal CWA trend with dry winters and very wet summers, or the Med CSA type with dry summers, and wet winters, and plants dry out in the respective dry seasons of those two climates. By having evenly spread precipitation throughout the year, coupled with TROPICAL winter days, and lots of heat and humidity, vegetation looks alive, and lush year round in the US South.
The Gulf of Mexico is a VERY warm ocean, and it gives surrounding locations climates warmer than other places at the same latitude. This warmth manifests as warm summer nights with LOWS nearing 80F, and as tropical winter days with LOWS above 60F. Now, sometimes cool shots can interrupt, but that happens in EVERY subtropical climate. Such warmth allows cities like H-Town and NOLA to cultivate lots of tropicals commercially, and have very successful industries in those departments, whereas other cities in the same latitude, such as those in North Africa, and East Asia could only dream of doing so.
Quite a few of the beach locations I posted (S. Padre, Corpus Christi, Tampa, Miami) can grow coconut palms, very tall too. My point was that the US South, especially the coastal sectors, was subtropical paradise, and Miami, and Florida are included, since they are in the US South.
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You don't seem to really get what sub-tropical even is, hot summers alone do not make a sub-tropical paradise... Illinois now too, wow...
No, Southern Illinois, believe it or not, actually has a rather insular climate compared to places on other continents at the same latitude, due to the location at the confluence of major rivers, as well as the fact that North America has huge indentations on the shoreline, allowing for very insular conditions well into the interior.
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Sutropical jungles in Illinois!!! LMFAO!!!! This guy is really taking the piss now.
Giant trees with thick moss eh? Sounds like the classic cool temperate rainforest to me. Would be common feature in climates like Tasmania and Britain.
Did you even look at those pictures I posted of Southern Illinois?
No, its not just normal moss; its SPANISH moss, a TROPICAL American plant. Tell me if you would see this in Tasmania and Britain?
Landscapes like those above can be seen throughout the Deep South, and up the Mississippi River to as far north and inland to Southern Illinois, due to the warm waters of the Gulf. Those landscapes can easily pass for the Amazon Rainforest in some shots.
Australia can be called a country, a continent, or an island. So what I said was, in fact, true.
Australia is also considered an island too.
Like I said, the US South is the only place on the planet where you can grow TALL AND HEALTHY coconut palms on the MAINLAND. You see this on the Texas and Florida coastline.
Here is a fact that might shock you... Australia is very nearly the size of the continental US! I can think of other "mainlands" where coconuts grow tall and healthy. These include: Australia, Africa, Asia and South America.
You fail.
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The US South is one of the few subtropical climates where plentiful rain is spread evenly throughout the year, allowing things to look lush and green in both summer AND winter. Most other subtropical climates have either a monsoonal CWA trend with dry winters and very wet summers, or the Med CSA type with dry summers, and wet winters, and plants dry out in the respective dry seasons of those two climates. By having evenly spread precipitation throughout the year, coupled with TROPICAL winter days, and lots of heat and humidity, vegetation looks alive, and lush year round in the US South.
Those winter days are tropical alright. Before you say anything, I did infact pick places *outside* of Southern Florida and extreme Southern texas to reflect the MAJORITY of the deep south US.
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The Gulf of Mexico is a VERY warm ocean, and it gives surrounding locations climates warmer than other places at the same latitude. This warmth manifests as warm summer nights with LOWS nearing 80F, and as tropical winter days with LOWS above 60F. Now, sometimes cool shots can interrupt, but that happens in EVERY subtropical climate. Such warmth allows cities like H-Town and NOLA to cultivate lots of tropicals commercially, and have very successful industries in those departments, whereas other cities in the same latitude, such as those in North Africa, and East Asia could only dream of doing so.
Those regions may get 60F lows in winter, but they are just as likely to get frosts and rather severe cold fronts, which they often do. If anything, Northern Africa at those latitudes is actually warmer.
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Quite a few of the beach locations I posted (S. Padre, Corpus Christi, Tampa, Miami) can grow coconut palms, very tall too. My point was that the US South, especially the coastal sectors, was subtropical paradise, and Miami, and Florida are included, since they are in the US South.
And coconut palms are limited to those areas. Winters anywhere else along the Gulf Coast are too cool.
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No, Southern Illinois, believe it or not, actually has a rather insular climate compared to places on other continents at the same latitude, due to the location at the confluence of major rivers, as well as the fact that North America has huge indentations on the shoreline, allowing for very insular conditions well into the interior.
Southern Illinois also gets a good helping of snow every winter.
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Did you even look at those pictures I posted of Southern Illinois?
No, its not just normal moss; its SPANISH moss, a TROPICAL American plant. Tell me if you would see this in Tasmania and Britain?
Landscapes like those above can be seen throughout the Deep South, and up the Mississippi River to as far north and inland to Southern Illinois, due to the warm waters of the Gulf. Those landscapes can easily pass for the Amazon Rainforest in some shots.
If Spanish moss can survive the snow-ridden jungles of Illinois, then it can survive most temperate climates in the world. I'm sure parts of Tasmania and pretty much the rest of Australia is warm enough.
I'd love to know what people from Miami think of you classing them as living in the 'US South'
You fail on every level on trying to convince everyone that the 'south' is a sub-tropical "paradise" & while some parts do indeed have a sub-tropical climate, even those areas are prone to very cold spells of weather, which makes it very un-paradise like, not to mention what is it actually like to live in one of these 'lovely' areas...
Maybe you are actually just trying to convince yourself...
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