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Old 01-18-2010, 08:34 AM
 
Location: The land of Chicago
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madre has a premus (yes I just called it premus) and the other day the door wouldn't open lol what are they making over there
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Old 01-18-2010, 09:29 AM
 
Location: La Jolla, CA
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Sorry, legitimate news sources don't end "articles" with the words "Things that make you go Hmmm." What you just provided is an op-ed piece at best.

Do you have a legitimate news source for this? An agency that reports facts, not opinions, would be nice. If it's a legitimate story, there should be a legitimate source readily available. I'd like to read a piece that was remotely objective.

Did investigators formally determine the Dallas crash to be an electronic fault?
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Old 01-18-2010, 09:32 AM
 
Location: U.S.A.
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Sorry, legitimate news sources don't end "articles" with the words "Things that make you go Hmmm." What you just provided is an op-ed piece at best.

Do you have a legitimate news source for this? An agency that reports facts, not opinions, would be nice.

Did investigators formally determine the Dallas crash to be an electronic fault?
While you argue over worthy sources of information, people continue to uncontrollably smash into objects at high speeds. The grave just gets deeper and deeper.
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Old 01-18-2010, 11:08 AM
 
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They produced junk for years, but now they are producing product on par or superior to their Japanese competition and people are waking up to it.

63% of consumers polled recently said they would be willing to purchase a Ford vehicle, up from 46% in 2006. Ford has made strides in quality and those willing to shop around are taking notice.
But they still aren't doing it in any numbers compared to honda and toyota. That bascially is because they have no reason to switch in their own experience.Its a case much like the big # 'as long as people are satisfied with thier toyotas and haondas then they will reamin brand loyal. No0w the big 3 actaully have more compeititors from korea and china which are gaining better and better reputations. Too bad the big 3 screwed so mnay for so long;but the auto world is now ful of competittors not like when the japnaese were trying to break inot the US market. In the end the big 3 will like be just shadows of themselves being much smaller companies in a ever more competitve market.Then they have to face competiton in new new growing markets like china and othwer developing countires whcih will resist them as much as the biug 4 3 did poliotically toyota and honda.Its SUX's to be the big 3 really and bankrupt.
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Old 01-18-2010, 02:28 PM
 
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Then they have to face competiton in new new growing markets like china and othwer developing countires whcih will resist them as much as the biug 4 3 did poliotically toyota and honda.Its SUX's to be the big 3 really and bankrupt.
GM is pretty competitive in China. It's either the largest, or second largest carmaker there, depending on how joint venture output is calculated. Japanese carmakers are well-represented, but lingering hatred (continually stoked by the Chinese government via the school curriculum and fresh supplies of propaganda films) over the 20m Chinese killed* during the Sino-Japanese war has given non-Japanese manufacturers a head start. Any fresh eruption of Sino-Japanese territorial disputes (such as over the Senkaku Islands) tends to crater Japanese car sales in China, as buyers stay away for fear of either vandalism or physical assault.

* It's the same story across East Asia - large scale Japanese atrocities (ranging from rape, vivisection to cannibalism) should really have made Japanese brands radioactive. It took massive bumbling by the Big 3 to give the Japanese a foothold there.

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Old 01-18-2010, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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This can't be... don't you know: Toyotas are "perfect!"
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Old 01-18-2010, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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No one ever said they were perfect, just better than the big 3.
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Old 01-18-2010, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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No one ever said they were perfect, just better than the big 3.
According to common myth, they are "perfect."

And they will never be used as police cars like the Ford products are out here... the Toy(otas) could never stand up to the severe use.
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Old 01-18-2010, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Murfreesboro, TN
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According to common myth, they are "perfect."

And they will never be used as police cars like the Ford products are out here... the Toy(otas) could never stand up to the severe use.
You could always use a Toyota police car to bore the criminals to death.
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Old 01-18-2010, 05:28 PM
 
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shades of Audi 100 un-intended acceleration of the early 80s... and Toyota is handling it as poorly as Audi..
And the Audi situation proved not rushing to judgment or hysteria is a good thing.

Turned out the car in the 60 minutes report had been rigged. Of course by the time CBS admitted such 3 years later, the damage had been done to Audi.
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