Better skyline Houston or Dallas? (Fort Worth, Plano: rentals, Wal-mart, Hispanics)

[Exult.Q36]

I find it bizarre how some posters literally exam Dallas by its city limits. A lot of Dallas major business districts are out side of Dallas in places like Plano and Irving. So, it's really not as far fetched to feel Dallas is the largest city in the state. People have different perspectives on what they think make a city feel larger.

[dallasboi]

Houston has more taller buildings. Thats it to the eyes...oh and wider freeways.

[TexasTallest]

Originally Posted by dallasboi

Houston has more taller buildings. Thats it to the eyes...oh and wider freeways.

and just as many "spread out districts" as Dallas.. Heck, our Uptown is like 4 miles from downtown. The woodlands is home to many corporations and has 2 ~450' towers, over 30 miles outside of the city. Dallas doesn't have anything like that, that far out. The energy corridor is over 20 miles outside of the city with even more corporations and 20+ story towers all over.. I love how Dallas posters boast about how dense the city is when discussing urbanity, and now they're trying to claim it's more spread out and feels like a bigger city. LOL

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by TexasTallest

and just as many "spread out districts" as Dallas.. Heck, our Uptown is like 4 miles from downtown. The woodlands is home to many corporations and has 2 ~450' towers, over 30 miles outside of the city. Dallas doesn't have anything like that, that far out. The energy corridor is over 20 miles outside of the city with even more corporations and 20+ story towers all over.. I love how Dallas posters boast about how dense the city is when discussing urbanity, and now they're trying to claim it's more spread out and feels like a bigger city. LOL

you cant be in all those places at one time in Houston. If a visitor is in downtown Houston trust me they cant see 20 story buildings 30 miles away in the suburbs...probably wouldn't even care about them either.

[Metro Matt]

Dallas posters are grasping at straws. Its getting pathetic, really. In one breath they're boasting about how dense their Uptown has become the next breath they're bragging about how sprawled out they are as a metro. Which is it?

The Greater Houston area has just as many, if not more of these suburban office parks than all of North Texas combined, only with much taller buildings added in. Anyone who has frequented both places will agree, Houston has the bolder skyline hands down. Its on another level when it comes to building skyscrapers. Not quite Chicago or NYC, but definitely ahead of Dallas & most other US cities.

Greenway Plaza by itself is equal to DT Fort Worth.

Greenspoint is like Las Colinas.

Energy Corridor is like Richardson's Telecom Corridor.

Med Center is as dense as Uptown Dallas only taller.

Memorial/West Houston is like Dallas' Galleria & Addison.

Dallas has nothing equivalent to Uptown Houston.

Dallas has nothing equivalent to The Woodlands.

Dallas has nothing equivalent to Galveston.

[R1070]

Originally Posted by TexasTallest

and just as many "spread out districts" as Dallas.. Heck, our Uptown is like 4 miles from downtown. The woodlands is home to many corporations and has 2 ~450' towers, over 30 miles outside of the city. Dallas doesn't have anything like that, that far out. The energy corridor is over 20 miles outside of the city with even more corporations and 20+ story towers all over.. I love how Dallas posters boast about how dense the city is when discussing urbanity, and now they're trying to claim it's more spread out and feels like a bigger city. LOL

The Plano/Frisco corporate clusters are as far out as The Woodlands. The buildings may not be as tall as the 2 tallest in The Woodlands, but there's a lot of office space there with some big companies. Heck even Las Colinas has 4 Fortune 500 companies.

And it's funny how people conveniently leave out the fact that there's a whole other business district in Ft Worth that is in our metro area. If you're gonna throw around business districts 30 miles from Houston, you certainly can't leave out Ft Worth from the DFW metro area. And you can't pull that "it's a totally different city" card. It's a city in the same metro just as The Woodlands is a city in the same metro as Houston, plus city limits mean nothing anyway. Either metro area is just one big urban area mass. Anything within those urban areas is open for interpretation.

Also, "spread out" doesn't mean it's a bigger city. SF is dense and feels bigger than Houston and the buildings aren't as tall and the city is much smaller. The DFW area is larger than the Houston area and has more people and the urban core around the center of Dallas is more "urban" feeling than the area surrounding downtown Houston. And you go 30 miles and you have another urban center.

[R1070]

Originally Posted by Metro Matt

Dallas posters are grasping at straws. Its getting pathetic, really. In one breath they're boasting about how dense their Uptown has become the next breath they're bragging about how sprawled out they are as a metro. Which is it?

The Greater Houston area has just as many, if not more of these suburban office parks than all of North Texas combined, only with much taller buildings. Anyone who has frequented both places will agree, Houston has the bolder skyline hands down.

Greenway Plaza by itself is equal to DT Fort Worth.
Perhaps, but with no sense of urbanity and vibrancy like DT FW (So not really an apples to apples comparison)

Greenspoint is like Las Colinas.
Not even close. The closest thing to Greenspoint here would be Park central, even kinda look the same since they are both at a large stack interchange, but minus the nasty ghetto mall that's in Greenspoint.

Energy Corridor is like Richardson's Telecom Corridor.
I could see this comparison

Med Center is like Uptown Dallas only taller.
Med Center is really it's own animal. Perhaps the skyline of TMC and the Harwood District/Victory Park area of Uptown Dallas look somewhat similar, but Harwood and Victory Park are technically not in the actual one square mile that the Uptown District is defined by. They just get lumped into Downtown or Uptown when convenient. TMC has nowhere near the urban fabric and vibrancy of Uptown Dallas so not exactly a good comparison overall.

Memorial/West Houston is like Dallas' Galleria & Addison.
Kinda sorta. Seems like the North Dallas/Galleria/Addison area is more packed in and more consistent on both sides of the freeway. Galleria Dallas is a much nicer mall than the Memorial one and there isn't an new urbanism area like Addison Circle which has amazing festivals, and some good nightlife options.

Dallas has nothing equivalent to Uptown Houston.
No it does not and that's okay as Dallas has developed differently than Houston. Uptown Houston looks impressive from the freeway. At street level it's very lacking with narrow sidewalks and strip shopping centers. Even the New Whole Foods development has surface parking in the front. That would have been a great opportunity for an urban grocer.

Dallas has nothing equivalent to The Woodlands.
Perhaps not exactly like The Woodlands, but Las Colinas would be the closest thing as it's a major business center, near the major airport, good schools and wealthy subdivisions and golf courses in a planned community and there's many suburbs in DFW that Houston does not have an equal to. So I think that's a wash. To me it seems like you only hear about The Woodlands and Sugarland and perhaps Katy down there. Where's the other nice suburbs?

Dallas has nothing equivalent to Galveston.
THANK GOD!!

See my responses above in red

[Metro Matt]

Originally Posted by R1070

The Plano/Frisco corporate clusters are about as far out as The Woodlands. The buildings may not be as tall as the 2 tallest in The Woodlands, but there's a lot of office space there with some big company. Heck even Las Colinas has 4 Fortune 500 companies.

And it's funny how people conveniently leave out the fact that there's a whole other business district in Ft Worth that is in our metro area. If you're gonna throw around business districts 30 miles from Houston, you certainly can't leave out Ft Worth from the DFW metro area. And you can't pull that "it's a totally different city" card. It's a city in the same metro just as The Woodlands is a city in the same metro as Houston, plus city limits mean nothing anyway. Either metro area is just one big urban area mass. In thing within those urban areas is open for interpretation.

Also, "spread out" doesn't mean it's a bigger city. SF is dense and feels bigger than Houston and the buildings aren't as tall and the city is much smaller. The DFW area is larger than the Houston area and has more people and the urban core around the center of Dallas is more "urban" feeling than the area surrounding downtown Houston. And you go 30 miles and you have another urban center.

That's the thing about Dallas. It packs a punch north of downtown, but in South Dallas you'd think you were crossing the barren plains of Oklahoma. Its quite odd. West & Northwest Dallas is like industrial East & Southeast Houston near the ship channel.

You can add Fort Worth all you want. Greenway Plaza's skyline competes with Fort Worth's & its just a few miles from DT Houston not 30 miles away.

[R1070]

Originally Posted by Metro Matt

That's the thing about Dallas. It packs a punch north of downtown, but South Dallas you'd think you were crossing the barren plains of Oklahoma. Its quite odd.

Houston's density & built up environment is more consistent.

You can add Fort Worth all you want. Greenway Plaza's skyline competes with Fort Worth's & its just a few miles from DT Houston not 30 miles away.

Greenway and FW may have similar highrises, but Greenway has nowhere near the urban stock of historic buildings and urbanity found in FW. Greenway seems like an urban office park that isn't much of a destination to me. I've stayed at that Crowne Plaza before. So again, Houston is impressive from a freeway. At street level you're like "meh"

[R1070]

Originally Posted by Metro Matt

That's the thing about Dallas. It packs a punch north of downtown, but in South Dallas you'd think you were crossing the barren plains of Oklahoma. Its quite odd.

Houston's density is more consistent.

You can add Fort Worth all you want. Greenway Plaza's skyline competes with Fort Worth's & its just a few miles from DT Houston not 30 miles away.

Actually, the Southern side of Dallas has the best topography and greenery in the area. Kessler Park is one of the most beautiful neighborhoods i've been to. Southern Dallas County has very thick vegetation, even swamps and pretty decent sized hills in the SW portion. Cedar Hill is a gorgeous area.

There is a joke here that I-45 going South never developed because the freeway signs all say Houston on them.