Being a RED state hurts Texas (Corpus Christi, Rockport: high crime, how much, schools)

[TexasHorseLady]

ocean2026, just out of curiousity, what do you do for a living?

You're right about one thing; we were smart enough not to have a huge real estate bubble but a nice, slow, steady, climb, so we don't have as far to fall.

Another definition for you (the first one to pop up):

Prosperous: Having success; flourishing.

It would seem to me that we, as a state, are prosperous in that respect. The price of our houses is not the only measure.

[lifertexan]

Originally Posted by ocean2026

Lifetexan -blame everything on illegals and the border etc. What about the school districts in parts of the state with few illegals? You can go to the TEA website and pull down every district's score. Border areas don't necessarily score worse than the Oklahoma border- although maybe you want to complain about okies sneaking across and messing up our scores.

Illegals and legals who are ESOL are everywhere.The area around DFW has tons of them.So does the cotton farming Panhandle.Anyplace in Texas with a lot of construction,farming,or factories will have lots of illegals.What makes you think they all stay within 100 miles of the border?That's not where the jobs are.To compare scores of a state that is required to educate tons of illegals with a state like Vermont or Iowa is just plain ridiculous.They don't face the same challenges that Texas schools do.

At any rate saying we don't need more jobs and money that contested campaigns would bring is just foolish.

I asked before and I'll ask again.What are you suggesting?That we all vote for Obama this year just so the candidates will come and spend money next election?If you are going to make the complaint twice,then how about offering your opinion on the solution at least once?I see no solution to your complaint except for folks to vote against their conscience just to get the campaigns to come here next election.If you have another suggestion,then now is the time to offer it.

[NOTAM]

Amen!!! Well said!

Originally Posted by teatime

um, are you trying to say that most of our state is comprised of uneducated rednecks???? Spend some time in the rust belt and then get back to us on that one!

we have no shortage of companies relocating to the south. Union demands and wages, bad weather, and fewer shipping options/bad infrastructure have helped cause flight from the blue states. Texas is business-friendly and fiscally conservative -- businesses appreciate that. You do see how we're weathering the recession much better than the other states, don't you? California is begging the feds for money to pay their bills -- texas has a surplus.

Thank god we're a red state! It's the one thing that keeps me from despair in the face of a possible pres. Obama, sigh.

[Pipeweld]

Originally Posted by ocean2026

At any rate saying we don't need more jobs and money that contested campaigns would bring is just foolish.

In the bigger scheme of things a couple of million dollars every four years ain't crap to an annual economy of over a trillion dollars a year!! One home game for the Cowboys (even when they are losing) brings in more than the presidential money.The jobs (temporary at best)you speak of aren't they volunteer community organizers. Don't forget we still get the primary money by the way.

[bresilhac]

Originally Posted by Pipeweld

That just tells you how bad our education system is! LOL

Laugh it up. Did you also know that most people with bachelors as well as advanced degrees support future President Obama?

[Austin-Willy]

This is obviously a troll. Nevertheless, only an insensitive and misguided person would equate education level with the worth or value of a person. Furthermore, higher education does not necessarily result in better judgment. This fact can easily be proven.

[ocean2026]

Well Texas who didn't graduate from high school voted overwhelmingly for Bush so I don't follow their judgment.

To the question about what would I suggest people do- Nothing it was just an observation, and Texas is left out. We don't get to see McCain or Obama or even Biden or Palin.

To the comment that its only a couple of million dollars- Just in direct funds it would be way more than that - hasn't $50 million been spent on Ohio's general election ? We are bigger. That doesn't take into account jobs - and expenditures aside from the direct campaign money.

Horseshoe lady asked what I do- could have messaged me on that. I am an investor although, in my "youth" served as an elected DA (willacy county) and currently serve on the school board. I also have a wildlife refuge on the north shore of Lake Corpus Christi.


One other point - when Obama wins Tuesday- there will be no reason for him to spend funds on Texas. Even if he did a great job, Texans would never support him so he would favor projects in other states. If McCain won he too would ignore Texas except that he might not be so political as he probably wouldn't be around for a 2nd term- too old.

[Austin-Willy]

Originally Posted by bresilhac

For posting such an incredibly stupid post. In case you didn't know people who go to college and graduate school are the people with the best tools to run society and do in fact just that. The fact that the people with these types of educational backgrounds support Senator Obama in droves only validates that future President Obama embodies those same traits. To say otherwise proves that you are a moron and should not vote because of a lack of intelligence to understand the intrinsic value of a college education.

If you think that an education imparts good judgment and equates to a person's value, then, assuming that you have a higher education, you prove the falsity of your own belief. There are many Republicans who have a higher education than some Obama supporters. How does that fit in with your pathetic world view?

People have intrinsic value that is separate and apart from their education. Otherwise, elections would simply be comprised of a review of the candidates' education level.

Elitism is a dangerous quality that is not a virtue in any form.

[lifertexan]

Originally Posted by Austin-Willy

If you think that an education imparts good judgment and equates to a person's value, then, assuming that you have a higher education, you prove the falsity of your own belief. There are many Republicans who have a higher education than some Obama supporters. How does that fit in with your pathetic world view?

People have intrinsic value that is separate and apart from their education. Otherwise, elections would simply be comprised of a review of the candidates' education level.

Elitism is a dangerous quality that is not a virtue in any form.

His education claims are BS.The Pew Center studies show that the breakdown of college grads per ideology nationwide is 49% liberal,46% conservative.Not an overwhelming difference by any means,and easily explainable when you consider the number of liberals who chose to stay in college and chase basically useless doctorate degrees(otherwise known as professional students living on fed funding),while conservatives tend to leave college after a bachelors or masters and put their degrees to actual use in the business world.Which group is better prepared to elect a President,the professional student,or the successful businessman.

[Austin-Willy]

Originally Posted by ocean2026

Well Texas who didn't graduate from high school voted overwhelmingly for Bush so I don't follow their judgment.

There are people with much higher education levels than you have who disagree with you, so by your logic, you are not entitled to an opinion / or alternatively, you are clearly wrong just based on a comparison of educational degrees.

Originally Posted by ocean2026

To the question about what would I suggest people do- Nothing it was just an observation, and Texas is left out. We don't get to see McCain or Obama or even Biden or Palin.

At least your previous point has some semblence of logic, even if it was ultimately wrong. This point is completely void of any thought. Both presidential candidates made at least one appearance in Texas. Furthermore, most people get more election exposure than they want, and anyone who is interested in getting more has tools available to get it.

Originally Posted by ocean2026

To the comment that its only a couple of million dollars- Just in direct funds it would be way more than that - hasn't $50 million been spent on Ohio's general election ? We are bigger. That doesn't take into account jobs - and expenditures aside from the direct campaign money.

This is really a pointless discussion. As far as you know it is exactly the fact that Texas is so pro-business (and, in turn, anti-Democrat / Obama) that results in such a strong state economy. It would be a ridiculous tradeoff to give up that economic strength for a tiny increase in election year revenue.

Originally Posted by ocean2026

Horseshoe lady asked what I do- could have messaged me on that. I am an investor although, in my "youth" served as an elected DA (willacy county) and currently serve on the school board. I also have a wildlife refuge on the north shore of Lake Corpus Christi.

I realize that you are just responding to a question, but I am not interested in this information. I judge your ideas, not your background. And your ideas expressed in this thread are pure failure.

Originally Posted by ocean2026

One other point - when Obama wins Tuesday- there will be no reason for him to spend funds on Texas. Even if he did a great job, Texans would never support him so he would favor projects in other states. If McCain won he too would ignore Texas except that he might not be so political as he probably wouldn't be around for a 2nd term- too old.

Your ideas expressed in this final paragraph comprise one of the worst aspects of politics, and one that any honest person would repudiate. The thought that folks should support someone because he will return political favors is a corrupt idea.