Remember the Waco Siege (Reno, Clint: homes, movies, law)

[Mapmatician]

30 years ago on this day (February 28th), the ATF began a raid on a church they claim to have believed to be stockpiling illegal weapons. They burnt the church down, killing 86 men, women, and children. Not a single illegal weapon was found. All the guns recovered that had readable serial numbers were all legally owned.

[StealthRabbit]

We won't forget that one. I was working in Taiwan at the time. My coworkers asked a lot of questions, and were very surprised at Texas and ATF response. Timothy McVeigh was watching too.

We've come so far in better understanding each other, and less divisiveness.

Not to my observation, instead.... Several degrees worse.

The world and our enemies (within) are watching very closely.

[BobTex]

Murder of Branch Davidian religious sect, undoubtedly far out there in their doctrines and beliefs, but still no known laws were broken by them/their members and the one that they had a beef with came to town every weekend (David Koresh) and could have easily been detained in town or on the rural roadways. Burn 'em out and burn 'em down ! Way to go Feds.

Then there was the assault on Randy Weaver and his family on their homestead where his 14 year old son and his wife were taken out by unrestrained federal agents.

All by the strong armed flexing DOJ under Janet Reno and Bill Clintoon. Another case of the militant Dems getting away with pure unadulterated violence and in these cases murder.

[texasdiver]

Originally Posted by BobTex

but still no known laws were broken by them/their members

Well, they did fire on Federal agents serving search warrant.

When did that become legal?

[BobTex]

Originally Posted by texasdiver

Well, they did fire on Federal agents serving search warrant.

When did that become legal?

When at first fired on by Federal agents? Just a guess here that when attacked we all have a God given right of self defense.

Of course it has never been determined who fired first but several ATF agents later said a team had been sent in to neutralize (shoot) the Branch Davidians' dogs in kennels. There is also some reports of an accidental discharge by an ATF agent.

So you know, for a fact, that those guarding the BD compound assaulted the ATF agents first, firing the 1st shot?

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Netflix had an interesting series on this a couple of years ago. I’m not sure how accurate it was. I know they change the details in these events to make the movies better

[texasdiver]

Originally Posted by BobTex

When at first fired on by Federal agents? Just a guess here that when attacked we all have a God given right of self defense.

Of course it has never been determined who fired first but several ATF agents later said a team had been sent in to neutralize (shoot) the Branch Davidians' dogs in kennels. There is also some reports of an accidental discharge by an ATF agent.

So you know, for a fact, that those guarding the BD compound assaulted the ATF agents first, firing the 1st shot?

Um...no. You NOT have a "God-given right" to fire on Federal agents.

And I promise you there is NOTHING in Federal law that makes firing on law enforcement legal under any circumstances, even if the police did fire first which is something that is very much at dispute here.

Otherwise any time there was ever a police shoot-out the suspects would be legally entitled to fire back and kill as many police officers as they wanted.

[BobTex]

Originally Posted by texasdiver

Um...no. You NOT have a God-Given right to fire on Federal agents.

And I promise you there is NOTHING in Federal law that makes firing on law enforcement legal under any circumstances, even if the police did fire first which is something that is very much at dispute here.

Nice opinion counselor !

[spacecitytx]

Originally Posted by texasdiver

Um...no. You NOT have a "God-given right" to fire on Federal agents.

And I promise you there is NOTHING in Federal law that makes firing on law enforcement legal under any circumstances, even if the police did fire first which is something that is very much at dispute here.

Otherwise any time there was ever a police shoot-out the suspects would be legally entitled to fire back and kill as many police officers as they wanted.

So, lemme get this straight...if an officer has a gun pointed at you (after just killing my dogs), and you know for a fact that you're about to die (irrelevant to me...if you so much as point a gun at me, I MOST CERTAINLY have the right to assume that you're about to shoot it...whether that's your intention or not isn't my concern), you're telling me that you're just going to sit there and die?

Wow...


I think you have it backwards sir...MAN'S LAW may say you can't fire upon an agent...but GOD'S LAW most DEFINITELY gives me the right to defend me and mine.

[malcorub16]

Remember the Waco Siege?
Whenever "The 90s" American popular culture/events is brought, it usually includes the Iraq War, Seinfeld, OJ Simpson, The Chicago Bulls, Monica Lewensky, The Simpsons, MTV, Grunge Rock/Hip Hop and of course the infamous WACO (We Ain't Coming Out) siege.