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Nope! Faith is a way of lying to yourself when the evidence tell you something other than what you want to be true. Faith is the last refuge of those that have had their arguments defeated by reason and logic. In reality, faith is nothing more than refusing to recognize logic and evidence when it tells you something you'd rather not believe. Faith is simply the practice of ignoring the supportable in favour of a desired belief. Faith, is used to fill a void. That void being the absence of logic, reason, evidence and common sense.
What you're missing by your logic, reason, evidence and common sense is the spiritual component that brings about this thing called faith. We can think we have faith and that's all well and good, but without an actual spiritual/physical experience, then it is merely a word found in Webster's.
When I say spiritual/physical experience, this is exactly what transpires when the Love of God enters our soul. But wait a minute, without knowing we even have a soul... then how is anyone even going to comprehend that there is such a thing? Without curiosity to investigate it's existence as an essential part of our very creation, then we are left to wander in the dark and assume that it must be some sort of fairy-tale or, maybe we brand those who claim to know the truth of such a thing, as an ignoramous or fool who doesn't know diddley squat.
But in this branding then, do we purposefully limit our understanding of all things, both material and spiritual, just to appease our intellectual natures to the tune of I'm right and you're wrong? This limitation then develops a barrier, or block, in our mind and thinking... and until this barrier is removed... we will be guided by the fallible nature of such mind and thinking.
One thing that DOES have lots of evidence...it's fully logically indicated...stands to reason...and is fully discernible through common sense---Is there are very few Obsessive Compulsive Disorders in the whole world that are more severe than the OCD that afflicts TAC (The Atheist Crew) on C-D...and manifests in their incessant bashing of "faith", and the 90% of the people on Earth that possess it.
In other words...you don't have a decent rebuttal.
If you're talking about a supreme being - yes. But having faith that something will happen doesn't mean it has to be greater than yourself
Having faith that what will happen? That the chair you're about to be seated in, won't kick out from under you?
Every time a person goes to plop down in a chair to sit, they have an unconscious amount of faith that chair will hold 'em. How many times have you landed flat on your tush? I've picked myself up a couple of times.
Then I pick myself up and I dust myself off, determined to give life another try.
Why does this thread remind me of the movie "Contact". Jodie Foster's character needed proof, proof and more proof that God existed. Yet, when she went through her experience and came back no one believed her because she didn't have proof.
I feel lucky not to be a "prove to me you exist" person though I can understand where they are coming from. For me, God mostly talks and guides me through dreams. I've had too many incredible dreams to doubt God. Though I tend to hear him the most when I'm at a breaking point in my life and really need him. It's usually when I haven't been listening to him that I get a wake up call.
In other words...you don't have a decent rebuttal.
You already know my position...and it is my standing blanket rebuttal.
But, rebut what?! The usual pathetic spew of bias, intolerance, and cluelessness?
We're supposed to accept your contention that 90% of the people in the world...lie to themself...refuse to recognize logic and evidence...practice ignorance of the supportable...are absent of logic... are absent of reason...are absent of evidence...and are absent of common sense?! HaHaHaHa! And you're sooooooo smart, right? LOL!
But yer slippin' Raf...you forgot, "delusional", and a whole bunch of other insults. You better brush up on TACs "Believer Bashing Protocol"---You HAVE to refer to the Believers as "ignorant" or at least "sheeple"...as well as include at least one mention of some mock Deity (FSM and IPUs are preferred, but any will cover the requirement including Santa and the Tooth Fairy) in EVERY bashing post. You also need a reference to some Sacred Writing as "myths", "fairytales", "fiction novel", or the like. I'm surprised at you...such amateurish mistakes!
But I'm sure you'll do better next time...I have FAITH in you!
For your info the number of atheists in the world has grown to 15%....That is 350 million more atheists and 350 million less sheep than just a few years ago...You are loosing ground my friend.
When are you going to abandon your argument that numbers prove anything?
For your info the number of atheists in the world has grown to 15%....That is 350 million more atheists and 350 million less sheep than just a few years ago...You are loosing ground my friend.
When are you going to abandon your argument that numbers prove anything?
The exact figure is debateable...I can show you claims of 96% Belief.
Regardless...it was, is, and will always be, a FACT...that on the world stage, Atheism is of near negligible consequence. It's the horse that finished last, it's the golfer that missed the cut, it's "New Coke".
I will NEVER abandon "numbers". Why would I? Especially when I have such a strong preference to winning instead of losing!
You say, numbers don't "prove anything". So, what "proves" things? Fallible so-called "facts"? Potentially errant "testing" and/or "research"? Logic and reason that rests on that which is fallible and potentially errant?
Look man, only in a hypothetical "Pure Logic" formula is that method "all that". Those formulas (a=b, b=c, so logically a=c) can't be counted on to function in the "real world" where "a" and "b" might have something cause a change in their "value". "The world", and "people" don't present the "controlled environment" needed for that method of discernment to be any more reliable than intuition and perception. MOF, outside of a lab, intuition and perception many times trumps logic and reason at coming to valid conclusions about "reality".
In the "real world", "numbers" are the driving force. It determines what goods and services are available based on "Supply & Demand", and it places our officials and determines our laws via the choice of the majority upon tallying votes cast.
Logic and reason does have it's place...as a tool to give a little assist to intuition and perception. But, for all intents and purposes, in the "real world", logic and reason has even less of a consequence than Atheism...now THAT's weak!!
The argumentum ad populum is a red herring and genetic fallacy. It appeals on probabilistic terms; given that 75% of a population answer A to a question where the answer is unknown, the argument states that it is reasonable to assume that the answer is indeed A. It is logically fallacious because the mere fact that a belief is widely-held is not necessarily a guarantee that the belief is correct.
The Toyota Corolla is owned by more people in the world than any other, so in your mind that obviously makes it the best car and the one we should all drive, right?...I don't think so.
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The Movie "Contact"
