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Probably so! However, lest anyone think I have something against my Creator, I don't. I do have something against the story. I believe it actually puts God in a very bad light, (besides, any good Baptist, if not other fundamentalist Christians, know it's a no-no to gamble! LOL!). But then, there are a number of stories in the Old Testament that aren't too flattering to our Creator's character, (bears eating teasing little children, at the behest of an angry bald prophet, plagues that kill first-born children, and purported "commands" to kill everything and everyone in sight, as "chosen" people come into [ahem, invade?], a promised land, come to mind). But, that's just me, I guess!
Probably so! However, lest anyone think I have something against my Creator, I don't. I do have something against the story. I believe it actually puts God in a very bad light, (besides, any good Baptist, if not other fundamentalist Christians, know it's a no-no to gamble! LOL!). But then, there are a number of stories in the Old Testament that aren't too flattering to our Creator's character, (bears eating teasing little children, at the behest of an angry bald prophet, plagues that kill first-born children, and purported "commands" to kill everything and everyone in sight, as "chosen" people come into [ahem, invade?], a promised land, come to mind). But, that's just me, I guess!
Well I'm sure he might be quite upset folks took a picture of his "bad" side.
I’ve found a Midrash about Iyov (Job) even more interesting then the story itself. Pharaoh had a dream and asked the advice of his chief counselors Yisro, Bilam, and Iyov (Job).
Biliam interpreted the dream that the Jewish people would destroy Egypt. He advised casting the Jewish babies into the river. He was wicked, he meets a bad end.
Yisro reminded Pharaoh that whenever they tried to harm the Jews it backfired. He also reminded him of the debt of gratitude they owed Yoasaif. He saw Pharaoh was displeased and left for Midyan. He was righteous, he becomes Moses’s father in law.
When Pharaoh asked Iyov (job) advice he remained silent. So Pharaoh implemented Biliam’s plan. Was Iyob (job) wicked or righteous?
All kidding aside, it is a given that only a coward would not speak his mind and remain silent and only an opportunist would give the advise he believes the pharaoh would want to hear.
Also, the Devil had to ask Gods permission to affect Job. God had a hedge around Job.
Forgive me Jenn, but this statement is mindboggling. Satan had to "ask God's permission???" Why did God give permission? What if he said "no?" Did he want to say "no" or was he trying to feed his ego to prove a point to Satan? I find it disturbing.
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Those who do not know the Lord belong to the devil so I suppose he doesn't have to ask Gods permission to afflict them?
So what about the atheist who is never afflicted, but the Christian who is?
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Job was very tough or very brainwashed...the story of Job reminds me of those Christian words that "God will never give you more than you can handle" (I have paraphrased). I do not believe this...if it was true, then people would not commit suicide. They have been given more than they can emotionally or mentally handle. It amazes me that Job didn't just pull the plug...but then again, I think it's another allegorical story.
The story of Job is simply more proof that a loving and just God as depicted in the Christian Bible doesn't exist. Might does not make right, even for deities.
I admire the strength of Job's faith, in this story, but I have serious questions about God making wagers over Job, and with his purported enemy, no less! If I found out that someone who claimed to love me, was making bets on whether or not I'd fold under intense pressure, I don't think I'd take it too kindly. And, I should hope that God would already know if someone loved him, more than they loved their material possessions, without such a hideous "test" as poor ol' Job was put through! God is supposed to be omniscient. Oh, nevermind; I forgot, it's not for his benefit, it's for ours. At least, that's what I remember being taught in church. As if life isn't tough enough without God "testing" folks, just to make things more spiritually educational, for crying out loud!
I don't know why every one thinks that God made a bet with Satan, because he didn't. Remember that God just said to Satan "Consider my servant job". I think that God was proud of him.
Satan then had to twist God's hand to let him aflict Job. So, God is in control, not Satan. I think that this is the biggest lesson in this text. Satan can only do what he has be given permission to do. Sometimes this permission comes from God sometimes it comes from us.
We also must remember that Satan is Lucifer. He was among the highest ranked angels in heaven. He lead the worship of God. Satan's problems began when God made man in His image out of dirt, yet set him over every angel. I think that is why Satan fell, because he was too proud to be under us humans. I think God in all this was making a point to Satan that these humans can be faithful and righteous like Job even though they are made of dirt.
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I do have something against the story. I believe it actually puts God in a very bad light, (besides, any good Baptist, if not other fundamentalist Christians, know it's a no-no to gamble! LOL!). But then, there are a number of stories in the Old Testament that aren't too flattering to our Creator's character, (bears eating teasing little children, at the behest of an angry bald prophet, plagues that kill first-born children, and purported "commands" to kill everything and everyone in sight, as "chosen" people come into [ahem, invade?], a promised land, come to mind
). But, that's just me, I guess!
