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Old 11-16-2022, 03:16 AM
 
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The swastika flag was a pagan symbol and not a Christian cross .... The whole Holocaust is proof of the mark of the beast, which killed people for the work of the mark of the right hand and the works of the mark of the forehead or the mind which belittles people for money... which Jesus warned He would have the people with the mark of the beast will be bared from heaven

 
Old 11-16-2022, 07:56 AM
 
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How do you know that Hitler "died in his sins"?
He probably accepted Jesus in the end. All is forgiven, my child!
 
Old 11-16-2022, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Lappeenranta, Finland
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Someone mentioned that Christians are often pacifists. I've noticed the opposite especially in the US were the Christian right is often the worst warmongers.
 
Old 11-16-2022, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Someone mentioned that Christians are often pacifists. I've noticed the opposite especially in the US were the Christian right is often the worst warmongers.
The christian right is certainly not made up of pacifists. But there are certainly pacifists within the broad scope of christianity.
 
Old 11-16-2022, 09:10 AM
 
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Someone mentioned that Christians are often pacifists. I've noticed the opposite especially in the US were the Christian right is often the worst warmongers.
Quakers and Mennonites are pacifists; but they represent only a tiny portion of Christianity as a whole.
 
Old 11-16-2022, 09:12 AM
 
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The christian right is certainly not made up of pacifists. But there are certainly pacifists within the broad scope of christianity.
There are of course a lot democratic christians in the states, and these people seem to be more genuinely kind and not so fundamentalistic in their belief.
 
Old 11-16-2022, 09:18 AM
 
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There are of course a lot democratic christians in the states, and these people seem to be more genuinely kind and not so fundamentalistic in their belief.
It is however the fascistic / authoritarian / divine command theory types who have sought and largely obtained political power and more indirect influences over public policy, and the "genuinely kind" types who have tended to just stay out of the fray altogether, ceding the public mindshare to the fundagelicals. I have a hard time feeling they don't call out their authoritarian brethren more than they do, at least at the organizational level. Once in awhile they manage to pull it off, and warn of its dangers. I wish they better understood and valued how effective it is when less than 100% of criticism or pushback is coming from outsiders. They just don't seem to see fundamentalism as the danger it actually is. With the SCOTUS ruling last summer that is starting to change though. Things like that, and the other plans now being made more public by those guys, make the threat less theoretical.
 
Old 11-16-2022, 12:45 PM
 
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The best news about the Nazi period is that atheists comprised only 1 to 1.5% of all Germans... and Hitler, on several occasions said he wanted to "stamp out" atheism and that "Godless Communism" was the Reich's worst enemy.

So despite all the revisionist history... "atheism" is off the hook as far as Hitler and the Nazis go.

IMO, Hitler wasn't a Christian other than maybe being a nominal Catholic. But he was an opportunist who knew he could use religion and dupe many religious people into rationalizing his program as being compliant with their beliefs.
 
Old 11-16-2022, 01:19 PM
 
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IMO, Hitler wasn't a Christian other than maybe being a nominal Catholic. But he was an opportunist who knew he could use religion and dupe many religious people into rationalizing his program as being compliant with their beliefs.
I don't know. He imprisoned and killed many of the most devoutly religious Christians, both Catholic and Protestant.

Of course the milquetoast Christians went along with the zeitgeist, then as they do now.
 
Old 11-16-2022, 01:54 PM
 
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The ideologically committed Nazis for the most part weren't practicing Christians, as in itself the ideology was fairly secular regardless of the esoteric stuff that a sub-group within the party and SS subscribed to.



But Germany was a Christian country and most of the official tenets of the Third Reich's government were reconcilable with the Christian religion. Hence why the church hierarchies for the most part were happy to 'go along to get along' with the government. In part this was also doubtlessly driven by the fear of communism which for the most part they deemed worse than the Nazis.


One has to consider that most conservative and Christian Germans would have accepted the Nazi government as a superior alternative to either liberal Western-style democracy or Soviet communism even if they had had issues with specifics of some of the Nazi ideological agenda.
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