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Old 11-17-2022, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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If a state wants to vote for one, so be it. The Constitution does not prevent it. It does prevent the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT from doing it. But the states can, if they choose.

If my state chose to implement one, so be it.
We could say that same about any specious law. For example, based on the Baptist's support of slavery, a state could declare the religion the work of Satan. So be it. You mean like that?

 
Old 11-17-2022, 02:33 PM
 
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They'd use the 14th Amendment to prohibit the state from establishing a religion.
 
Old 11-17-2022, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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If a state wants to vote for one, so be it. The Constitution does not prevent it. It does prevent the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT from doing it. But the states can, if they choose.

If my state chose to implement one, so be it.
Ah but what if they chose Buddhism or Islam?
 
Old 11-17-2022, 04:34 PM
 
Location: North by Northwest
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Ah but what if they chose Buddhism or Islam?
Or, worse yet, Unitarian Universalism?
 
Old 11-17-2022, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Michigan, Maryland-born
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Someone mentioned that Christians are often pacifists. I've noticed the opposite especially in the US were the Christian right is often the worst warmongers.
I am a Christian and a pacifist.

I consider myself Pro-Life across the board: Pacifism, more social safety net, universal healthcare, life on abortion, more for the environment, and opposed to the death penalty.
 
Old 11-18-2022, 05:25 AM
 
Location: Lappeenranta, Finland
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I am a Christian and a pacifist.

I consider myself Pro-Life across the board: Pacifism, more social safety net, universal healthcare, life on abortion, more for the environment, and opposed to the death penalty.
I'm not a pacifist but I am firmly against unessesary wars, but I think a sovereign nation like Ukraine has the right to defend its country and the USA should also help with sanctions etc.

Like the Ukies say: We pray to God after the victory.
 
Old 11-18-2022, 07:08 AM
 
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This would blatantly violate the Establishment Clause of the United States Constitution (as stated in the first paragraph of the article), but based on recent events, it’s not inconceivable that the current Supreme Court would nullify generations of Establishment Clause jurisprudence in order to uphold it.


And I’m sure the majority opinion by Justice Thomas would state exactly that.
It really would not violate it. A state is not Congress. Read the clause again.
 
Old 11-18-2022, 07:09 AM
 
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That's why I said 150 years. The 14th Amendment (ratified in 1868) confirmed that all of the Constitution applies to all levels of government, from Congress down to town councils.
You know it doesn't, though. There are MANY different areas where the Amendment is not applied.
 
Old 11-18-2022, 07:39 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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You know it doesn't, though. There are MANY different areas where the Amendment is not applied.
All of the Constitution applies to all levels of government. When you say it doesn't, you are simply wrong.
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Old 11-18-2022, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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All of the Constitution applies to all levels of government. When you say it doesn't, you are simply wrong.
Not least because if the constitution didn't apply to all levels, then the rights it guarantees would ultimately only exist in federal installations and military bases. Also, the union would fall apart because we would have too little in common to hold it together if everyone had a private interpretation of civil rights and freedoms. Indeed one can argue that is exactly what is in progress right now and maybe we should evaluate how far to take "state's rights" and similar concepts.
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