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Old 11-17-2022, 10:58 AM
 
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There is no such thing as an American civic religion. Our government has no religion. That is a very good thing.
Historically, states/colonies have had official religions.

 
Old 11-17-2022, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Historically, states/colonies have had official religions.
And you endorse that? Or what is your point? Perhaps where you live the state should be officially catholic. Yeah...that's freedom of religion.
 
Old 11-17-2022, 11:36 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Historically, states/colonies have had official religions.
For the history of the past 150+ years, it has been absolutely clear that there is no such thing as a state religion.
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Old 11-17-2022, 12:33 PM
 
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For the history of the past 150+ years, it has been absolutely clear that there is no such thing as a state religion.
There is no established state religion in the US. However, there is a de facto established religion.
 
Old 11-17-2022, 12:34 PM
 
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For the history of the past 150+ years, it has been absolutely clear that there is no such thing as a state religion.
150 years? You realize our nation is almost 250 years old, right? We've talked about this before. 9/13 of the original colonies had official religions.

But it's interesting, there is nothing preventing a state from adopting one. In fact, in 2013 North Carolina considered it.

https://www.wral.com/proposal-suppor...lina/12296876/
 
Old 11-17-2022, 12:37 PM
 
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And you endorse that? Or what is your point? Perhaps where you live the state should be officially catholic. Yeah...that's freedom of religion.
If a state wants to vote for one, so be it. The Constitution does not prevent it. It does prevent the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT from doing it. But the states can, if they choose.

If my state chose to implement one, so be it.
 
Old 11-17-2022, 12:38 PM
 
Location: North by Northwest
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150 years? You realize our nation is almost 250 years old, right? We've talked about this before. 9/13 of the original colonies had official religions.

But it's interesting, there is nothing preventing a state from adopting one. In fact, in 2013 North Carolina considered it.

https://www.wral.com/proposal-suppor...lina/12296876/
This would blatantly violate the Establishment Clause of the United States Constitution (as stated in the first paragraph of the article), but based on recent events, it’s not inconceivable that the current Supreme Court would nullify generations of Establishment Clause jurisprudence in order to uphold it.

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If a state wants to vote for one, so be it. The Constitution does not prevent it. It does prevent the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT from doing it. But the states can, if they choose.

If my state chose to implement one, so be it.
And I’m sure the majority opinion by Justice Thomas would state exactly that.
 
Old 11-17-2022, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Alabama
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If a state wants to vote for one, so be it. The Constitution does not prevent it. It does prevent the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT from doing it. But the states can, if they choose.

If my state chose to implement one, so be it.
They'd use the 14th Amendment to prohibit the state from establishing a religion.
 
Old 11-17-2022, 01:28 PM
 
Location: West Virginia
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They'd use the 14th Amendment to prohibit the state from establishing a religion.
That's why I said 150 years. The 14th Amendment (ratified in 1868) confirmed that all of the Constitution applies to all levels of government, from Congress down to town councils.
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Old 11-17-2022, 01:49 PM
 
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There is no established state religion in the US. However, there is a de facto established religion.
...which is decidedly an un-American attitude, based on our Constitution.
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