Why is reincarnation so controversial and polarizing? (Isaac, verse, religion)
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it's not about agreeing or disagreeing.
if something is eternal it does not have a start.
the very definition of eternal is has no beginning and no end.
not talking about brains, or consciousness or transformation or embryos or life or death or born, set all that aside. just talking about eternal. logic and the most basic simple understanding of eternal dictate that if something is eternal it does not have a start.
what do you think eternal even means. in and of itself.
look at the actual definition: "having no beginning and no end" "always existing" "without beginning or end"
plain and simple. there is no "starts with" for that which is eternal. nothing to do with theology. just the bare bones basics of what the word means.
Let's not play semantic games based on ancient ignorance. Our Reality is eternal and has no beginning (as far as we know) but it would be the ONLY eternal that has no beginning. Something that becomes part of our GROWING and expanding Reality would have no ENDING which would still make it eternal for all intents and purposes.
It is definitely about agreeing or disagreeing because neither of us actually KNOWS. What you and CB believe requires that we throw out everything we know from science and experience. You and CB are willing to do that by ignoring how Reality functions to accept the creative (but imaginary) definitions of the ancients but I am NOT!
I have an adequate explanation for the difference between experienced time (as measured by our consciousness emerging during quantum time) and the source of quantum time itself (the creative advance) to put the lie to your "time does not exist" premise. Growth (or expansion) can NOT exist without time and that is NOT dependent upon any individual consciousness of it.
Like why is it such a hotly debated topic, reincarnation?
My guess is because some people do want peace of mind after death, they don't want to put themselves thru another run of physcological torture from life
On the other hand though, nothingness after death makes no logical sense at all, because then how is the energy from the body and the soul supposed to transfer itself? Where is the remnants gonna go?
Kinda like when a computer dies, it really doesn't just die, some of the CPU memory can still be found in the hard drive
Funny thing though I've seen more atheists be challenging of reincarnation than even hardcore evangelical Christians, despite only 27% of them believing in reincarnation
Plus if nothingness after death is the case, how do we trust then all these written history to be true? I mean how do we hunter gatherers existed? Maybe they're just made up mythological creatures we use to cope with the fact with the fact we don't how humans came to be, right?
Granted with the way things are heading I can also understand why somebody would not want to believe in reincarnation, environmental pollution, radical politics, hyperinflation
But humans are meant to thrive in adversity I would argue anyways
Reincarnation is utter fiction. The "soul", likewise.
what do you think eternal even means. in and of itself.
look at the actual definition: "having no beginning and no end" "always existing" "without beginning or end"
plain and simple. there is no "starts with" for that which is eternal. nothing to do with theology. just the bare bones basics of what the word means.
the question asked in post 75, and shown above, is simple and clear. i don't see an answer in the response below.
all i asked is one question, just to answer what a single word means to you, "what do you think the word eternal means, in and of itself." period. full stop. that is all that is being asked. " just the bare bones basics of what the word means."
that single question is not addressed by the items named in bold below: semantic games, ancient, reality, growing, expanding, intents, purposes, agreeing, disagreeing, knowing, believing, ignorance, science, experience, throwing out, ignoring, how reality functions, imaginary, consciousness, advance, quantum anything, creative, growth, source, individual, or measured.
just asking what a single word means to you.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
Let's not play semantic games based on ancient ignorance. Our Reality is eternal and has no beginning (as far as we know) but it would be the ONLY eternal that has no beginning. Something that becomes part of our GROWING and expanding Reality would have no ENDING which would still make it eternal for all intents and purposes. It is definitely about agreeing or disagreeing because neither of us actually KNOWS. What believe requires that we throw out everything we know from science and experience. You and CB are willing to do that by ignoring how Reality functions to accept the creative (but imaginary) definitions of the ancients but I am NOT! I have an adequate explanation for the difference between experienced time (as measured by our consciousness emerging during quantum time) and the source of quantum time itself (the creative advance) to put the lie to your "time does not exist" premise. Growth (or expansion) can NOT exist without time and that is NOT dependent upon any individual consciousness of it.
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the question asked in post 75, and shown above, is simple and clear. i don't see an answer in the response below.
all i asked is one question, just to answer what a single word means to you, "what do you think the word eternal means, in and of itself." period. full stop. that is all that is being asked. " just the bare bones basics of what the word means."
that single question is not addressed by the items named in bold below: semantic games, ancient, reality, growing, expanding, intents, purposes, agreeing, disagreeing, knowing, believing, ignorance, science, experience, throwing out, ignoring, how reality functions, imaginary, consciousness, advance, quantum anything, creative, growth, source, individual, or measured.
just asking what a single word means to you.
Eternal simply means lasts forever whether or not it had a beginning. It is possible for something that has a beginning to last forever making it eternal just as much as your preferred exclusive nonsense using the ancient definition about no beginning that pretends that anything with a beginning must end. That is utter nonsense.
Eternal simply means lasts forever whether or not it had a beginning. It is possible for something that has a beginning to last forever making it eternal just as much as your preferred exclusive nonsense using the ancient definition about no beginning that pretends that anything with a beginning must end. That is utter nonsense.
You and I have our differences, but at least we agree -- I think -- that too much desire to dwell on what I call "woo". A little woo is fine, but to constantly seek the woo as some kind of evidence is, I think, unwise. The other thing that I am often reminded of is that definitions must be taken with a grain of salt. I see this in Buddhism as people try to transfer exact meanings from Pali (and Thai) to English, and that is often impossible. Our born again poster is probably going to come along and, as he always did, accuse me of being attracted to woo myself. Guilty as charged...to some extent. Part of the question is what one does with woo. I look at nature and I don't see anything (that I can think of) that we could call eternal. Species sometimes thrive and then die out. Mountains are weathered and eroded away. Things change. That's not to say that there can't be something eternal, but the evidence for that is...absent...other than by opinion.
Eternal simply means lasts forever whether or not it had a beginning. It is possible for something that has a beginning to last forever making it eternal just as much as your preferred exclusive nonsense using the ancient definition about no beginning that pretends that anything with a beginning must end. That is utter nonsense.
thank you for clarifying what the word eternal means to you.
i see that we are using different dictionary definitions for the word eternal.
you may disagree with a dictionary definition.
but that does not make a dictionary definition "nonsense" or "pretend"
i find it strange, and not rational or logical, for anyone to label standard mainstream dictionary definitions (i.e. Oxford Languages, Brittanica,etc.) as "nonsense" and "pretend"
Also, it is inaccurate to call it "ancient definition." It is a current definition, and it is in current use. The very first page of hits online for "eternal definition" shows Oxford Languages, Dictionary.com, Collins English Language, YourDictionary.com, The Free Dictionary, and Brittanica. In those dictionary listings, the very first definition shown is the one you reject. Clearly it is a definition in current usage. And it is NOT designated in any of those dictionary listings with the label archaic (which would indicate out of use in present day English). So no it is not an "ancient definition."
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Eternal simply means lasts forever whether or not it had a beginning. It is possible for something that has a beginning to last forever making it eternal just as much as your preferred exclusive nonsense using the ancient definition about no beginning that pretends that anything with a beginning must end. That is utter nonsense.
Name one thing that has a beginning/origin that does not have an end. Your over the top annoyance and abuse over this simple concept only reveals how aware you are about your mistaken premise. Come into the light and be peaceful.
Is God eternal?
I think it polarizing for irrational people on both sides.
People in the middle understand that people's traits repeat. Especially in the same family. If a brain state has parts that are in the configuration of a brain state in the past, it will be very close to the same type of person.
thank you for clarifying what the word eternal means to you.
i see that we are using different dictionary definitions for the word eternal.
you may disagree with a dictionary definition.
but that does not make a dictionary definition "nonsense" or "pretend"
i find it strange, and not rational or logical, for anyone to label standard mainstream dictionary definitions (i.e. Oxford Languages, Brittanica,etc.) as "nonsense" and "pretend"
Also, it is inaccurate to call it "ancient definition." It is a current definition, and it is in current use. The very first page of hits online for "eternal definition" shows Oxford Languages, Dictionary.com, Collins English Language, YourDictionary.com, The Free Dictionary, and Brittanica. In those dictionary listings, the very first definition shown is the one you reject. Clearly it is a definition in current usage. And it is NOT designated in any of those dictionary listings with the label archaic (which would indicate out of use in present day English). So no it is not an "ancient definition."
Definitions are useful, but never tell the whole story.
You can show me the dictionary definition of eternal. A sentence or two. If that's all eternal is, is that sentence or two, then you might as well be quiet because there is nothing more to say.
Further, dictionary definitions don't verify that something is true or accurate. Does the definition of "poltergeist" mean that poltergeists are real? I can find a definition of voodoo. Does that mean that you will then become a follower of voodoo?
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is probably going to come along and, as he always did, accuse me of being attracted to woo myself. Guilty as charged...to some extent. Part of the question is what one does with woo. I look at nature and I don't see anything (that I can think of) that we could call eternal. Species sometimes thrive and then die out. Mountains are weathered and eroded away. Things change. That's not to say that there can't be something eternal, but the evidence for that is...absent...other than by opinion.