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"There are profound cultural differences in how people think about, measure, and use their time. Beliefs about time remain profoundly different from culture to culture. Research shows that cultural differences in time can be as vast as those between languages. The most fundamental difference in timekeeping throughout history has been between people operating by the clock and those who measure time by events."
At the end of the day, they're still measuring time.
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel
Regarding indigenous culture, the Anagnu people of Australia are the oldest culture on the planet, continuous in the same location for over 60,000 years. For example, "Tjukurpa refers to the past, the present and the future at the same time. The knowledge never changes, it always stays the same." "This sense of nonlinear time challenges the western conceptual framework that divides time into prehistory, history, present and future."
Actually, that's wrong.
The Anangu are new-comers having diverged genetically about 41,000 years ago from other aboriginal groups in Australia.
Their view of time only challenges the stupid. You've also presented the views of White people and not the views of the Aborigines themselves.
I won't even get into the fact that some aboriginal groups think that shunned photography/video because they thought it stole your soul.
That would mean there are 10s of 1,000s of people walking around with no sole, given the number of times they've been photographed/videoed which means you can survive without a soul, but then we already knew that since souls were concocted and never existed in the first place.
One good thing about Aborigines is that thanks to DNA testing, we are now aware of another hominid.
That only serves to reinforce the Multi-Regional Theory, since we have the usual suspects plus a new group that originated in Eurasia.
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel
people plant crops, feed their families. run their businesses, and have fully functioning cultures and civilizations. there are environmental cues. and all of them are done only and ever in the present moment.
And they planted crops in the previous year, which is the past, and they will plant crops in the future if they're still living.
Those "environmental cues" are just a disingenuous way of saying "time."
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel
yes, there are indigenous cultures where the language reflects this also, time is not part of the language, the words for it simply do not exist, no words exist for past and future.
That is not relevant. In the case of your beloved Aborigines, they didn't even have language until illegal immigrants arrived ~4,000 years ago.
The fact that a culture does not have a words to express past, present and future is not proof of the absence of time. It's only proof they didn't have a word for it.
100 years ago there was no word for computer, but no one would be dumb enough to say computers don't exist.
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel
no verb tenses, to indicate past tense, future tense. no word for "time", or for time periods such as "month" or "year". The people do not refer to their age ( ie. 27 years old)
Classical Biblical Hebrew, and the language from which it was born, namely the Ugaritic dialect of Aramaic as well as all Semitic languages did not express past, present, or future.
Thus, when we read Genesis 6, all of the following may be accurate translations:
1) His days were 120 shars
2) His days are 120 shars
3) His days will be 120 shars
While Semitic languages, again, including Classical Biblical Hebrew, did not have verb tenses indicating time, it is also true that time was understood from the context of the conversation.
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel
but our world is existing just fine.
the world does not change in any way, because we recognize that time is invented.
Time was not invented.
Time always existed. It is the existence of time that allows us to know the distance of stars from Earth.
The speed at which the Earth rotates on its axis results in the apparent movement of the Sun across the sky at a rate of 15° per hour.
I say "apparent" because it is not the Sun that is moving, it is the Earth rotating.
How we define time is an artificial construct, but the concept of time itself is not.
We can call an hour a jujubee but it wouldn't alter the fact that the Earth has rotated 15° and that exact moment or hour can never be repeated.
Why? Because the planets and the minor bodies will not be in the same geocelestial coordinates.
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Originally Posted by cb2008
The purpose of life per Hinduism any way is NOT rebirth, punarjanma, it is to to cease the cycle of birth and death. Theoretically one needs to be completely free of karma - good and bad - to be rebirth free. In a practical sense what is emphasized is living a life mindfully per the four stages of life, to be free of attachments that only cause misery, causing no harm, showing kindness and generosity of spirit, and having a positive outlook in general.
In other words, it's someone's subjective view of how you should live to avoid some post-mortem punishment.
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel
consciousness exists prior to a person being born.
it enters the infant and inhabits the physical body.
then at some point the physical body dies.
and consciousness leaves the body.
and continues to exist.
your consciousness exists before you were born, and your consciousness exists after your body dies.
Nope. That is medically and scientifically false.
The fetus becomes conscious at about 22-24 weeks.
Consciousness terminates once the brain ceases to function. The brain does continue to function for up to several minutes after the heart stops beating.
At the end of the day, they're still measuring time. Actually, that's wrong.The Anangu are new-comers having diverged genetically about 41,000 years ago from other aboriginal groups in Australia. Their view of time only challenges the stupid. You've also presented the views of White people and not the views of the Aborigines themselves. I won't even get into the fact that some aboriginal groups think that shunned photography/video because they thought it stole your soul. That would mean there are 10s of 1,000s of people walking around with no sole, given the number of times they've been photographed/videoed which means you can survive without a soul, but then we already knew that since souls were concocted and never existed in the first place. One good thing about Aborigines is that thanks to DNA testing, we are now aware of another hominid. That only serves to reinforce the Multi-Regional Theory, since we have the usual suspects plus a new group that originated in Eurasia. And they planted crops in the previous year, which is the past, and they will plant crops in the future if they're still living. Those "environmental cues" are just a disingenuous way of saying "time." That is not relevant. In the case of your beloved Aborigines, they didn't even have language until illegal immigrants arrived ~4,000 years ago. The fact that a culture does not have a words to express past, present and future is not proof of the absence of time. It's only proof they didn't have a word for it. 100 years ago there was no word for computer, but no one would be dumb enough to say computers don't exist. Classical Biblical Hebrew, and the language from which it was born, namely the Ugaritic dialect of Aramaic as well as all Semitic languages did not express past, present, or future. Thus, when we read Genesis 6, all of the following may be accurate translations: 1) His days were 120 shars 2) His days are 120 shars 3) His days will be 120 shars While Semitic languages, again, including Classical Biblical Hebrew, did not have verb tenses indicating time, it is also true that time was understood from the context of the conversation. Time was not invented. Time always existed. It is the existence of time that allows us to know the distance of stars from Earth. The speed at which the Earth rotates on its axis results in the apparent movement of the Sun across the sky at a rate of 15° per hour. I say "apparent" because it is not the Sun that is moving, it is the Earth rotating. How we define time is an artificial construct, but the concept of time itself is not. We can call an hour a jujubee but it wouldn't alter the fact that the Earth has rotated 15° and that exact moment or hour can never be repeated. Why? Because the planets and the minor bodies will not be in the same geocelestial coordinates. In other words, it's someone's subjective view of how you should live to avoid some post-mortem punishment. Nope. That is medically and scientifically false. The fetus becomes conscious at about 22-24 weeks. Consciousness terminates once the brain ceases to function. The brain does continue to function for up to several minutes after the heart stops beating.
The word "Aborigine" is a pejorative. It is an outdated term that carries racist and derogatory stereotypes. "It has racist connotations from Australia's colonial past, and lumps people with diverse backgrounds into a single group. "
I referenced the Anagnu of Australia.
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Across Australia there were more than 500 Indigenous nations. Dating back more than 60,000 years, the Anangu culture has always been a vital part of Central Australian life. Out of the 500 Indigenous nations, there were over 260 distinct language groups and 800 dialects.
Across Australia there were more than 500 Indigenous nations. Dating back more than 60,000 years, the Anangu culture has always been a vital part of Central Australian life. Out of the 500 Indigenous nations, there were over 260 distinct language groups and 800 dialects.
Across Australia there were more than 500 Indigenous nations. Dating back more than 60,000 years, the Anangu culture has always been a vital part of Central Australian life. Out of the 500 Indigenous nations, there were over 260 distinct language groups and 800 dialects.
And apparently they have a project called Aṟa Irititja (meaning "stories from a long time ago").
have you heard about books? library? maps? anything like that?
One can find Tzap's sources in books, libraries and maps?
What is this thing about making claims, and when asked to back them up, you are told to do the research yourself?
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