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Old 05-13-2008, 09:41 PM
 
Location: South Florida
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The real kicker is that Muslims and Christians believe in the same God.
More like different versions of the same god.
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:46 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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The real kicker is that Muslims and Christians believe in the same God.
True, but if Christians are already able to devide themselves up into Protestants and Catholics and accuse each other of falsely interpreting the Bible, it should be no surprise that they don't believe that Muslims, Jews and Christians believe in the same God.
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Old 05-14-2008, 09:47 PM
 
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Again I ask, would you have killed other peoples at the request of Moses because he claimed the lord spoke to him and told him to tell you so?[/quote]


Hmmm. Or this corollary. As a God hating Canaanite contemporary of the Old Testament Israelites, would you offer your child as a sacrifice to Milcom?
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Old 05-14-2008, 09:56 PM
 
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Again I ask, would you have killed other peoples at the request of Moses because he claimed the lord spoke to him and told him to tell you so?

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Hmmm. Or this corollary. As a God hating Canaanite contemporary of the Old Testament Israelites, would you offer your child as a sacrifice to Milcom?
I would have been an atheist then too.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:22 PM
 
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I would have been an atheist then too.

Yes sir; you are not a Canaanite, and I am not an Old Testament Israelite. Those commands are not directed at me.
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Old 05-15-2008, 07:50 PM
 
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Yes sir; you are not a Canaanite, and I am not an Old Testament Israelite. Those commands are not directed at me.
Do you endorse them (as true commands from God) reading them today?
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Old 05-15-2008, 08:22 PM
 
Location: South Central PA
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Murder is only allowed when god commisions it. DUH!

Bible = hypocritical
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Old 05-15-2008, 08:22 PM
 
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This is the thread people who are questionng their faith should read. This thread gets to the real nitty-gritty. No sweetness and light in this thread. Here is the face of religion without any smiling mask on it. I remember watching some movie on television about a man who was murdering people because God told him to. I turned to my son and said if you ever hear anything or anyone, claiming to be 'God' tell you to kill someone, you tell him (or it) "NO! No Way! Do it yourself! If you were really 'God' you'd know I would NEVER do anything like that.!" Then go and see a good psychiatrist because you need medication...
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:01 PM
 
Location: PA
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I am sure may of us are aware the bible, especially the first middle third, is filled with all kinds of gore and mayhem. The interesting thing is there is a god tossed in the mix, supposedly ordering all kinds of butchering.

When I have presented these passages to Christians and asked them to explain them to me, I have had some tell me that God, for example, ordered the extermination of the Canaanites because they were evil and their sinful lifestyles had run it course. So now my question is, if you, a Christian, lived in those days (you being an Israelite committed to God), would you have participated in the genocidal acts supposedly ordered by God via the "inspired" mouth of Moses or Joshua?
Yes, If I was living in those times I would follow Moses and Joshua and destroy any evil person that was in Israel or out.

Like David said in Psalms 69:9: "For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.
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Old 05-16-2008, 04:48 PM
 
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Do you endorse them (as true commands from God) reading them today?
This, of course, was not your original question. My response was given in a manner to suggest that the question itself, in my opinion, is irrelevant, as no such commands exist for Christians, though I suspect that you are aware of this fact. It is also irrelevant of me to ask you how you would behave as a Canaanite, though I appreciate your faith statement regarding your beliefs. You can, of course, better anticipate Christian behavior by reading what is required of us. However, if your real question is : has God, under limited, defined, exceptional circumstances exacted temporal judgment, the answer is, yes, and do I consider it normative, no, though I am uncertain why you wouldn't ask this initially. (And just a note of clarification on my part: I have found the atheists that I have engaged to be intelligent, insightful, respectful, moral, and humorous, in a winsome way. I hold no animosity towards atheists, and indeed, seek to find common ground with them as far as I can. I just happen to disagree with some, though not all, of what they believe).
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