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I do apologize for not listing all the crimes in either the US or Canadian criminal code. There are differences such as I being over the age of 18 can legally buy weed at a government licensed business and I also can buy a Kinder surprise. Should these be subtracted from the list of crimes and lust you claim I have?
Uhhhh...I have no idea what a 'Kinder surprise" is. So as much as YOU may apologize, so do I!
Maybe not subtract them from the 'crimes of lust'...but to possibly add to them...? Just sayin'...
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Please list some of my lies, theifs and lusts.
Yeah, pfffft! As if *I* can reeeeeeally do that! Besides, YOU already know what they are. You don't need *me* to tell you...
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Can't be serious thefts as I did qualify for secret clearance with the Canadian military.
Ohhhh, as if the Canadian military knows EVERY moral wrong you ever committed...People can rise in government, no matter what their 'moral wrongs' would have been. And while PEOPLE may have 'forgiven' you, doesn't mean GOD did...'specially if ya ain't sorry for what you did!
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By lust you must mean a mind crime ad I have been totally faithful to my wife for 45 years. And 8 don't believe in thought crimes, it's not a crime until you take actions, including speaking of hate or defamation
So YOU say...During that 45 years, ever indulge in pornography? Ever 'pleasure yourself' while thinking about someone other than your wife? Jesus said what he said about adultery for a reason...
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I have never done anything to someone I wouldn't want done to me, or excuse me that might be a lie as I once gave a driver the finger when he cut me off on my bike.
...and, there ya go. I'm sure it's not the ONLY thing that you've done. And, if you sit quietly one day, and allow Jesus to come into your heart, you just might discover that you're not as "good" as you think you are...Hey, I used to think the same thing! Until I really got right with God. Suddenly, I was shown all of the "small" things that I did, that I didn't think anything of. Believe me, you're not as "good" as you think you are...
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I think folks of other religions think of God in much the same way that Christians do, in other words it may vary from person to person.
You're probably right...
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If beliefs overlap why label them Christian? Many of your Christians beliefs predate Jesus and Christianity so maybe you have Jewish beliefs.
...or Sumarian beliefs, or Akkadian beliefs...or beliefs from Neanderthals...
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And still no reason for me or anyone to accept Pascal wager. The cost for me in accepting it would be to live a dishonest life in forcing me to believe in something that I don't. I prefer to be honest with myself and with others, including yourself. As Christainity does not make sense to me accepting it would also not make sense.
Pascal's wager is a wager based on fear.
I look at it like this:
No belief in God, no God, all is o.k.
Belief in God, no God, all is STILL o.k.
Belief in God, and there IS a God, all is o.k.!
But if no belief in God...and there IS a God...………….what THEN? I mean, you won't have an excuse since you already know about Jesus...You won't be able to say, "Wow, God. I had no idea!"...because you had every opportunity to learn, and you stubbornly and pridefully decided not to...
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If I die and you are correct that a very petty God is going to punish me forever and ever simply because I didn't believe in him so be it.
Yup, and you can spend all of eternity thinking how "petty" God is. Meanwhile, other people will be enjoying heaven...the food...wine...music...dancing....laughing...while you're 'tormented' by your own anger and misery. Some of those other people were like you once. The difference is, that they came to Jesus and asked for forgiveness, being sorry for their sins. Which camp do you want to be in?
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Much better than pretending to be something you are not in this one life you have. As well not a single word in your post lead me to believe that there is any reason to become a Christian if that was your intention
My intention was not to convert you. It's simply to discuss satan, and his grip on humanity. Don't let "him" misguide you into thinking that you're perfectly "fine" the way you are. I can guarantee, you're not...
...and neither am I. But the difference is that *I* have Jesus in my life, whereas, you don't... It's like having the best 'lawyer' in the universe on your side when approaching the most Ultimate Judge.
So you believe trying to slow down the speak of a dangerous virus that is deadly to the elder and immune impaired people is not a good deed. Talk about a total lack of emphathy towards others and gross selfishness. Sure hope you don't work in a nursing home. Maybe it's that type of thinking that puts the States as the number one country with over 100 grand dead and probably most of them were not so eager to die as you are. Where is your emphathy, kindness, love and respect for your fellow citizens.
This makes your Pascal Wager make a bit more sense to me, not the wager but your accepting it.
Ok, dude...you're combining other posts together. Not cool...
Uhhhh...I have no idea what a 'Kinder surprise" is. So as much as YOU may apologize, so do I!
Maybe not subtract them from the 'crimes of lust'...but to possibly add to them...? Just sayin'...
Yeah, pfffft! As if *I* can reeeeeeally do that! Besides, YOU already know what they are. You don't need *me* to tell you...
Ohhhh, as if the Canadian military knows EVERY moral wrong you ever committed...People can rise in government, no matter what their 'moral wrongs' would have been. And while PEOPLE may have 'forgiven' you, doesn't mean GOD did...'specially if ya ain't sorry for what you did!
So YOU say...During that 45 years, ever indulge in pornography? Ever 'pleasure yourself' while thinking about someone other than your wife? Jesus said what he said about adultery for a reason...
...and, there ya go. I'm sure it's not the ONLY thing that you've done. And, if you sit quietly one day, and allow Jesus to come into your heart, you just might discover that you're not as "good" as you think you are...Hey, I used to think the same thing! Until I really got right with God. Suddenly, I was shown all of the "small" things that I did, that I didn't think anything of. Believe me, you're not as "good" as you think you are...
You're probably right...
...or Sumarian beliefs, or Akkadian beliefs...or beliefs from Neanderthals...
Pascal's wager is a wager based on fear.
I look at it like this:
No belief in God, no God, all is o.k.
Belief in God, no God, all is STILL o.k.
Belief in God, and there IS a God, all is o.k.!
But if no belief in God...and there IS a God...………….what THEN? I mean, you won't have an excuse since you already know about Jesus...You won't be able to say, "Wow, God. I had no idea!"...because you had every opportunity to learn, and you stubbornly and pridefully decided not to...
Yup, and you can spend all of eternity thinking how "petty" God is. Meanwhile, other people will be enjoying heaven...the food...wine...music...dancing....laughing...while you're 'tormented' by your own anger and misery. Some of those other people were like you once. The difference is, that they came to Jesus and asked for forgiveness, being sorry for their sins. Which camp do you want to be in?
My intention was not to convert you. It's simply to discuss satan, and his grip on humanity. Don't let "him" misguide you into thinking that you're perfectly "fine" the way you are. I can guarantee, you're not...
...and neither am I. But the difference is that *I* have Jesus in my life, whereas, you don't... It's like having the best 'lawyer' in the universe on your side when approaching the most Ultimate Judge.
N9 you have self importance and the feeling that you must be special on your mind. I dont need to accept what you describe as a jealous petty hateful God into my life out of fear. That is absolutely the dopey thing that religious folks say. As I stated Ill take my chance at being honest with myself, besides if your God is all knowing he could tell a fake from a true believer, right. Satan and humans are sinners and wicked is all part of your religion and no evidence that there is a God and that thete was a God he is the one in the Bibke.
The only anger I have is about people who don't even know me lying about my character. And about everything that isn't in their own little special group of special wonderful people. You don't know if I am angry, misetable, a rapist, full of lust, theiving and lying person or the nicest person in the World. If Jesus exists and came to ask me for forgiveness I'll tell him I lived a good live and accept me for who I am and that I am not the person who lied about others over and over again for him like you do yourself. Satan is an idea planted in your head to sow your fear of not believing in Jesus. No 9therscand purpose for him. At least Loki and Coyote had some positive quality to them, but no Satan is there for you to fear not being a dutiful Christian. Sorry but your bogeyman is wasted on me. Not even a good story.
Ok, dude...you're combining other posts together. Not cool...
What is not cool is your total selfishness and disregard for your fellow humans. Maybe that is where you think I am an angry person, I do not wish for my wife, my neighbours and friends, my 93 year old mother, my fellow citizens, no one to die needless to a deadly virus because you don't mind metting Jesus.
You certainly prove all those posters who claim Christians are full of love when you see the elderly and the immune impaired as disposable bodies. I think due to your callousness towards those less fortunate then yourself plus your unfounded accusations against me our conversations are at their end
What is not cool is your total selfishness and disregard for your fellow humans.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!! Too funny...
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Maybe that is where you think I am an angry person, I do not wish for my wife, my neighbours and friends, my 93 year old mother, my fellow citizens, no one to die needless to a deadly virus because you don't mind metting Jesus.
...annnd are you PRAYING that they don't? I am...
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You certainly prove all those posters who claim Christians are full of love when you see the elderly and the immune impaired as disposable bodies. I think due to your callousness towards those less fortunate then yourself plus your unfounded accusations against me our conversations are at their end
You have no idea what you're talking about...You judge me without knowing.
Unfortunately, too many posters here talk past each other. In some cases, it's simply because one party or the other doesn't actually read - and therefore properly parse - the other person's post.
And reply based on their misinterpretation.
And - as one of my gurus, the late, great Kurt Vonnegut Jr. was wont to say - so it goes.
Let me ask you this: What if *YOU* are wrong about it? The reason...or at least ONE reason why I practice Christianity, is because it makes the most sense to me. Have I looked into Hindu, Muslim and other beliefs? Yes, I have. Have I looked into ALL other beliefs? Well, no...
BUT...
There comes a point when you decide, "this is for ME".
I can look at a wedding dress and think, "That's IT! THAT'S "The One"! It's got EVERYTHING you want, and THEN some.
I don't necessarily believe that Hindu's or Muslims are 'wrong'. In many cases, I think we believe in the same God...but not the same way...
They may be non-Christian, but that doesn't mean the they have non-Christian beliefs...beliefs overlap.
This seems to indicate that you think a belief in ANY god is adequate to avoid damnation. Is my understanding of your position correct?
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Originally Posted by Mink57
Pascal's wager is a wager based on fear.
I look at it like this:
No belief in God, no God, all is o.k.
Belief in God, no God, all is STILL o.k.
Belief in God, and there IS a God, all is o.k.!
But if no belief in God...and there IS a God...………….what THEN? I mean, you won't have an excuse since you already know about Jesus...You won't be able to say, "Wow, God. I had no idea!"...because you had every opportunity to learn, and you stubbornly and pridefully decided not to...
In this post, you reference belief in Jesus, as if that were to be the only god option that can be believed?
Which is correct? Is belief in ANY god sufficient to avoid damnation? Is it required to believe in Jesus? If it is not all inclusive, but not limited to Jesus only, what are th3 boundaries of belief that are acceptable to God?
Unfortunately, too many posters here talk past each other. In some cases, it's simply because one party or the other doesn't actually read - and therefore properly parse - the other person's post.
And reply based on their misinterpretation.
And - as one of my gurus, the late, great Kurt Vonnegut Jr. was wont to say - so it goes.
Yup. You're right, TD. I can only apologize for my own part....
1. this is his nature and how he was created. He simply can't behave otherwise.
Correct.
Consider the work of God: for who can make that straight, which he hath made crooked? (Ecclesiastes 7:13)
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7)
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, (Romans 9:20-23)
The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. (Proverbs 16:4)
Satan is a piece of wicked clay in the hands of the omnipotent God of eternity. God ordains evil to bring about a greater good. Satan can do no more, or less, than what God has ordained he be able to do. The Bible clearly teaches this. There's no excuse for not knowing it.
Yup. You're right, TD. I can only apologize for my own part....
I think its important to understand that some people are anti-god for the same kinds of reason you are for god. So how can that impasse be breached?
Others aren't so much against god but they don't believe in some of the traits that you give it. How do we evaluate those claims?
"we don't know but we trust in the lord"? Is that good enough when we have something like "if there is a god he would accept you even if you didn't believe." to compare it to?
what one of those makes more sense to you?
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It's like having the best 'lawyer' in the universe on your side when approaching the most Ultimate Judge.
