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Old 06-27-2022, 11:20 AM
 
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We are not denying the experience, we are pointing out they may not be what you think they are.
Just because you may have experienced 'God's love', doesn't mean it does exist.
Of course it "exists!" Everything that manifests in this Reality automatically "exists." That is what "manifest" means!!! Just because it may not be sharable does not mean it does not "exist." As Gldn keeps telling you, if you are "blind" to it, you will automatically assume it does not exist.
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Old 06-27-2022, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Of course it "exists!" Everything that manifests in this Reality automatically "exists." That is what "manifest" means!!! Just because it may not be sharable does not mean it does not "exist."
But is it really "God's love" was my point? Hint, the water in a mirage does not actually exist.

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As Gldn keeps telling you, if you are "blind" to it, you will automatically assume it does not exist.
Also if you understand how known cognitive bias works.
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Old 06-27-2022, 12:28 PM
 
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But is it really "God's love" was my point? Hint, the water in a mirage does not actually exist.
Also if you understand how known cognitive bias works.
It exists as a "mirage" so you are wrong. The problem is you do not think that what is produced by our brain as the user interface actually exists, but the "icons" actually do exist within the quantum realm. That is the one thing about my views that I find worrisome. We may actually be creating our own spiritual venue within the quantum realm with our imagination. A very troublesome thought! I often wonder if that is what Jesus was referring to about moving mountain "icons."
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Old 06-27-2022, 01:01 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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It exists as a "mirage" so you are wrong. The problem is you do not think that what is produced by our brain as the user interface actually exists, but the "icons" actually do exist within the quantum realm. That is the one thing about my views that I find worrisome. We may actually be creating our own spiritual venue within the quantum realm with our imagination. A very troublesome thought! I often wonder if that is what Jesus was referring to about moving mountain "icons."
We haven't evolved to see Reality. We have evolved for fitness in the environment.
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Old 06-27-2022, 01:18 PM
 
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We haven't evolved to see Reality. We have evolved for fitness in the environment.
Correct! The user interface works very well for that purpose but it presents confusion about the actual status of Reality, IMO!!!
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Old 06-28-2022, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Germany
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It exists as a "mirage" so you are wrong.
No, the mirage exists, the water does not.

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The problem is you do not think that what is produced by our brain as the user interface actually exists, but the "icons" actually do exist within the quantum realm.
Again that sounds like the opposite of what I believe. You really need to stop telling me what I believe and then getting it wrong.
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Old 06-28-2022, 09:55 AM
 
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Correct! The user interface works very well for that purpose but it presents confusion about the actual status of Reality, IMO!!!
Sure does!
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Old 06-28-2022, 06:54 PM
 
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No, the mirage exists, the water does not.
The only thing that REALLY exists IS the spacetime field that manifests on the user interface as a mirage appearing to be water, We have no way of knowing that what manifests as actual water is any different in actuality!!
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Again that sounds like the opposite of what I believe. You really need to stop telling me what I believe and then getting it wrong.
Vielleicht sollten wir uns auf Deutsch unterhalten, damit Sie es verstehen. Unfortunately, that would not be allowed here.
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Old 04-11-2023, 12:58 PM
 
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Evidence. Not proof, evidence. If we need to look at this objectively, we need evidence.



Once you understand the problem with your definition of evil, you will understand.



Yes, that is your belief. And that is only one option. The other afterlife is eternal torment.



Want has nothing to do with this. We do not believe in gods because the evidence is against them.

WHAT evidence? It's your interpretation of what5 you call evidence.
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Old 04-11-2023, 01:03 PM
 
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Depends on the perception of God one has as to whether objective evidence/proof of existence can be provided.
I'm a Pantheist...and my perception of God is Reality (ALL That Is)...and that certainly exists.

Who hit you with a pan?


It doesn't pan out in the end.
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