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Old 04-14-2022, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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To put it more simply, it's based on two concepts:

"Cuz 'I'/ 'we' said so" and "or go to hell".
Yes, or "because the Bible says so" or more exactly, "because I say the Bible says so", since anything a Christian claims the Bible says can be happily refuted by other Christians.
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Old 04-14-2022, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Yes, or "because the Bible says so" or more exactly, "because I say the Bible says so", since anything a Christian claims the Bible says can be happily refuted by other Christians.
Good clarification.
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Old 04-14-2022, 01:03 PM
 
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And to those who believe in all Gods being the one God, then punishing those who believed in religions other than Christianity makes nosense if the one Hod is fair, loving and just.

Not sure how other religions deal with this, but I, as a Catholic, don't believe that God condemns people of other religion, unless your religion involves slaughtering people. They are just "misinformed" and that will be a judgment call by God and most likely won't involve any harsh punishment provided the person has lived a good life. "Good life" meaning their actions were good and of good intent. NOW, let's say you were baptized as Catholic when you were a baby and then willfully changed to a different religion when you are an adult, then you have freely chosen to abandon your faith and that might not be good. But again, it's up to God.

The one thing that is emphasized to me a lot by priests is that there are DEFINITELY people in heaven and purgatory, but we don't know if anyone truly is in hell (except for the devil himself, of course). We don't really know if God has really punished anyone for eternity, but we certainly don't want to take that chance.
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Old 04-14-2022, 01:15 PM
 
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Not sure how other religions deal with this, but I, as a Catholic, don't believe that God condemns people of other religion, unless your religion involves slaughtering people. They are just "misinformed" and that will be a judgment call by God and most likely won't involve any harsh punishment provided the person has lived a good life. "Good life" meaning their actions were good and of good intent. NOW, let's say you were baptized as Catholic when you were a baby and then willfully changed to a different religion when you are an adult, then you have freely chosen to abandon your faith and that might not be good. But again, it's up to God.

The one thing that is emphasized to me a lot by priests is that there are DEFINITELY people in heaven and purgatory, but we don't know if anyone truly is in hell (except for the devil himself, of course). We don't really know if God has really punished anyone for eternity, but we certainly don't want to take that chance.
You don't even understand what you're saying.
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Old 04-14-2022, 01:32 PM
 
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Not sure how other religions deal with this, but I, as a Catholic, don't believe that God condemns people of other religion, unless your religion involves slaughtering people. They are just "misinformed" and that will be a judgment call by God and most likely won't involve any harsh punishment provided the person has lived a good life. "Good life" meaning their actions were good and of good intent. NOW, let's say you were baptized as Catholic when you were a baby and then willfully changed to a different religion when you are an adult, then you have freely chosen to abandon your faith and that might not be good. But again, it's up to God.

The one thing that is emphasized to me a lot by priests is that there are DEFINITELY people in heaven and purgatory, but we don't know if anyone truly is in hell (except for the devil himself, of course). We don't really know if God has really punished anyone for eternity, but we certainly don't want to take that chance.
Help me ubderstand you. If a baptised Catholic becomes an Anglican or of United Church of Canada are they considered having abandined their faith or is that for turningbto a non Christian religion?
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Old 04-14-2022, 01:38 PM
 
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However he did not learn one way to not make a light bulb one thousand times.
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Old 04-14-2022, 02:17 PM
 
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Not sure how other religions deal with this, but I, as a Catholic, don't believe that God condemns people of other religion, unless your religion involves slaughtering people. They are just "misinformed" and that will be a judgment call by God and most likely won't involve any harsh punishment provided the person has lived a good life. "Good life" meaning their actions were good and of good intent. NOW, let's say you were baptized as Catholic when you were a baby and then willfully changed to a different religion when you are an adult, then you have freely chosen to abandon your faith and that might not be good. But again, it's up to God.

The one thing that is emphasized to me a lot by priests is that there are DEFINITELY people in heaven and purgatory, but we don't know if anyone truly is in hell (except for the devil himself, of course). We don't really know if God has really punished anyone for eternity, but we certainly don't want to take that chance.
The bold really hurts my heart. The Christian religious leaders have badly misinterpreted and misunderstood the clear and truly unambiguous Divine Revelation and demonstration of God's True Nature of agape love and forgiveness by Jesus (God Himself) on the Cross. They have spread and perpetuated our ignorant primitive ancestors' barbaric interpretation of it using their beliefs about a wrathful and vengeful War God.

As Jesus unmistakably revealed under unambiguous life and death circumstances, God has NO such wrath or vengeance in Him and NEVER has had. God does NOT change, but our beliefs about Him certainly SHOULD have after over two millennia!!! Shame on you all for accepting primitive ignorance instead of the Direct Personal Divine Revelation of God's True Nature Jesus provided at the expense of His human body and life!!!.
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Old 04-14-2022, 02:28 PM
 
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The bold really hurts my heart. The Christian religious leaders have badly misinterpreted and misunderstood the clear and truly unambiguous Divine Revelation and demonstration of God's True Nature of agape love and forgiveness by Jesus (God Himself) on the Cross. They have spread and perpetuated our ignorant primitive ancestors' barbaric interpretation of it using their beliefs about a wrathful and vengeful War God.

As Jesus unmistakably revealed under unambiguous life and death circumstances, God has NO such wrath or vengeance in Him and NEVER has had. God does NOT change, but our beliefs about Him certainly SHOULD have after over two millennia!!! Shame on you all for accepting primitive ignorance instead of the Direct Personal Divine Revelation of God's True Nature Jesus provided at the expense of His human body and life!!!.
No no no, you misunderstood. God does not wish anyone to hell. In fact, we strongly wants EVERYONE to be in heaven with Him! But it is US that chooses to abandon him and chooses to go to hell. So God does not send anyone to hell; we send ourselves there. That is why he gave us free will. It is our choice whether we want to use our free will to follow or walk away from Him.
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Old 04-14-2022, 03:03 PM
 
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You don't even understand what you're saying.
You’d need to a Catholic, or talk to a Priest to understand these ideas and the lingo used.
Catholics are not into Bible literalism, unlike how many low church Evangelical Protestants are.
You won’t hear many Catholics raving on about “the narrow gate”, “I never knew you”, “false prophets” etc.
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Old 04-14-2022, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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You’d need to a Catholic, or talk to a Priest to understand these ideas and the lingo used.
Catholics are not into Bible literalism, unlike how many low church Evangelical Protestants are.
You won’t hear many Catholics raving on about “the narrow gate”, “I never knew you”, “false prophets” etc.
Maybe so, but it's logically inconsistent to claim that god doesn't condemn people of other religions but that he might at least condemn a Catholic who joins another religion.

If that's Catholic teaching then it's incoherent.
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