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Old 08-10-2017, 05:53 PM
 
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The Greatest hurdle you face in faith is your face in a mirror.
I'd rather go with evidence, observations and knowledge rather than faith. And why should faith mean taking up your religion and not the religion of someone else? As this is not the Christianity forum shouldn't all Faiths have the same value, or lack thereof?

 
Old 08-10-2017, 05:54 PM
 
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I'd rather go with evidence, observations and knowledge rather than faith. And why should faith mean taking up your religion and not the religion of someone else? As this is not the Christianity forum shouldn't all Faiths have the same value, or lack thereof?
~when you turn from the mirror you'll know.
 
Old 08-10-2017, 06:16 PM
 
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Not when I know also there is a being who can appear as an angel of light also described as a roaring lion going about this earth seeking whom he may destroy. No it doesn't make sense at all does it.

 
Old 08-10-2017, 06:28 PM
 
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~when you turn from the mirror you'll know.
Sorry but I don't communicate in code, nor do I live in fear mistaking it for love. So has Ham dealt honestly with the state and civic governments, or does that even matter to you?
 
Old 08-10-2017, 06:36 PM
 
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~like trying to water grass on a hot sunny afternoon.

nite
 
Old 08-10-2017, 08:14 PM
 
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~like trying to water grass on a hot sunny afternoon.

nite

I see this is not your first rodeo. Peace
 
Old 08-10-2017, 08:47 PM
 
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Hush and Rbbi1 having a meeting of minds.

How...nice. And unsurprising.
 
Old 08-10-2017, 08:54 PM
 
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Hush and Rbbi1 having a meeting of minds.

How...nice. And unsurprising.
Yes the agreeing that not answering questions or explaining what they mean are virtues.
 
Old 08-11-2017, 04:51 AM
 
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Jeffbase40, I come into this late, but from a newbie's perspective, it seems you are so ingrained in your belief, that there is nothing that will change your mind, no matter how trivial a fact that might challenge the literal interpretation of biblical stories.

I'm not sure why those that believe a literal story won't accept what science has shown. I suspect the real reason is that if one element of the bible is shown not to be true, then all of it becomes into question, and then of course, the literal basis of one's faith is eroded.

It makes much more sense to me that those of a religious faith take their scriptures as allegory or metaphorical. Most Jews do now, except the very orthodox. They do not believe in the literal stories of the old testament, but seem them as an expression to thought starters, to a life, and a shared history. Not that they view that history as literal.

Does that make any sense to you?
great post and observation. Welcome, sit back and enjoy.

There's plenty of Jeff to be had.
 
Old 08-11-2017, 09:01 AM
 
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Jeffbase40, I come into this late, but from a newbie's perspective, it seems you are so ingrained in your belief, that there is nothing that will change your mind, no matter how trivial a fact that might challenge the literal interpretation of biblical stories.

I'm not sure why those that believe a literal story won't accept what science has shown. I suspect the real reason is that if one element of the bible is shown not to be true, then all of it becomes into question, and then of course, the literal basis of one's faith is eroded.

It makes much more sense to me that those of a religious faith take their scriptures as allegory or metaphorical. Most Jews do now, except the very orthodox. They do not believe in the literal stories of the old testament, but seem them as an expression to thought starters, to a life, and a shared history. Not that they view that history as literal.

Does that make any sense to you?
You hit the nail square on the head. To Jeff, anything that questions a single part of the Bible as not being literal is a lie, he has even called those who believe in God and Jesus but not the Bible being literal as atheists. He a
has also accused all those who do not accept his literal reading of the Bible as closed minded as he claims that he has the truth.
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