Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Location: East Central Pennsylvania/ Chicago for 6yrs.
2,535 posts, read 3,300,823 times
Reputation: 1483
Advertisements
Quote:
Originally Posted by charolastra00
Mark, Acts, and Revelation are NOT a part of Jewish canon.
No not the New(Covenant) Testament . The Old (Covenant) Testament of the Bible
There are 39 Books of the Old Testament of the Bible
Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, I Samuel, II Samuel, I Kings, II King's, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi, Psalms, Proverbs, Job, Song of Songs, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Esther, Daniel, Ezra, Nehemiah, I Chronicles, II Chronicles
The first five books of the Old Testament are known collectively as either the Law, the Pentateuch, or the Torah. The Old Testament was called the Tanak. The T corresponds to the Torah (Law), the N to Nevi'im (Prophets), and the K to the Ke'tuvim (other writings). The two As were added to aid pronunciation.
Although there are a number of writings dating from as far back as the time of Moses, only thirty-nine Books compose the sacred and authoritative Old Testament canon. Moses penned the first five books, with the exception of the last few chapters of Deuteronomy that recount his death and burial. Other books were written by kings and prophets. The prophet Malachi wrote the final book of the Old Testament during the Persian domination in 430 B.C. After this time, no additional prophets brought messages from God to the Israelites. The Old Testament canon was complete and closed.
Roughly 400 years passed, known as the Intertestamental Period (from 430 B.C. to A.D. 26), before the Old Testament prophecies of Jesus’ birth and ministry were fulfilled. These 400 years of silence were broken by a “voice of one calling (boontos) in the desert” (Luke 3:4 quoting Isaiah 40:3–5). That voice belonged to the last of the Old Testament prophets—John the Baptist. Christians believe that John was the herald who prepared the way for the Messiah Yeshua, Jesus.
Location: East Central Pennsylvania/ Chicago for 6yrs.
2,535 posts, read 3,300,823 times
Reputation: 1483
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard1965
But he did not RETURN to heaven....
Mark 16:19. 19 So then, after he had spoken to them, the Lord Yeshua was taken up into heaven and sat at the right hand of God.
Luke 22:69. But from now on, the Son of Man will be sitting at the right hand ofHaG’vurah,”
Hebrews 1:3. This Son is the radiance of the Sh’khinah, the very expression of God’s essence, upholding all that exists by his powerful word; and after he had, through himself, made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand ofHaG’dulah BaM’romim.
John 20:17. “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father. But go to my brothers, and tell them that I am going back to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.”
Hebrews 8:1. Here is the whole point of what we have been saying: we do have just such a cohen gadol as has been described. And he does sit at the right hand of HaG’dulah in heaven.
Hebrews 10:12. But this one, after he had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, sat down at the right hand ofGod,
When Jesus ascended into heaven, he took his throne at the right hand of God the Father (Hebrews 8:1); 12:2), fulfilling the promise to David that one of his sons would sit on his throne forever (2 Samuel 7:12-16; 1chron 17:11-14;20 2Chron 6:14-17; Psa, 89:1-4; 132:11-12). From there Christ now reigns as king over all until all his enemies are put under his feet (1Cor 15:25) and he returns to rule over the new heavens and the new earth. His name is above all other names (Psa 138:2; phil 2:9).
No not the New(Covenant) Testament . The Old (Covenant) Testament of the Bible
There are 39 Books of the Old Testament of the Bible
Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, I Samuel, II Samuel, I Kings, II King's, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi, Psalms, Proverbs, Job, Song of Songs, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Esther, Daniel, Ezra, Nehemiah, I Chronicles, II Chronicles
THE OLD TESTAMENT IS NOT THE HEBREW BIBLE...HELLO?....ARE YOU LISTENING!!!???...
Quote:
Originally Posted by steeps
The first five books of the Old Testament are known collectively as either the Law, the Pentateuch, or the Torah. The Old Testament was called the Tanak. The T corresponds to the Torah (Law), the N to Nevi'im (Prophets), and the K to the Ke'tuvim (other writings). The two As were added to aid pronunciation.
The TaNaKh is spelled TNK, the two a's are not added to aid pronunciation, they are part of the pronunciation...They are called Nikkudot...Torah means instruction...K'tuvim are not OTHER writings, they ARE writing as differentiated from Mitzvot or commands and prophecies...
Quote:
Originally Posted by steeps
Although there are a number of writings dating from as far back as the time of Moses, only thirty-nine Books compose the sacred and authoritative Old Testament canon. Moses penned the first five books, with the exception of the last few chapters of Deuteronomy that recount his death and burial. Other books were written by kings and prophets. The prophet Malachi wrote the final book of the Old Testament during the Persian domination in 430 B.C. After this time, no additional prophets brought messages from God to the Israelites. The Old Testament canon was complete and closed.
Malachi is not a prophet...Malachi is not a person's name...Malach is Hebrew for a messenger...
מלאכי
(biblical) emissary, messenger
In other words, you don't really know who wrote Malachi...
When Jesus ascended into heaven, he took his throne at the right hand of God the Father (Hebrews 8:1); 12:2), fulfilling the promise to David that one of his sons would sit on his throne forever (2 Samuel 7:12-16; 1chron 17:11-14;20 2Chron 6:14-17; Psa, 89:1-4; 132:11-12). From there Christ now reigns as king over all until all his enemies are put under his feet (1Cor 15:25) and he returns to rule over the new heavens and the new earth. His name is above all other names (Psa 138:2; phil 2:9).
1Co 15:24 then--the end, when he may deliver up the reign to God, even the Father, when he may have made useless all rule, and all authority and power--
1Co 15:25 for it behoveth him to reign till he may have put all the enemies under his feet--
1Co 15:26 the last enemy is done away--death;
1Co 15:27 for all things He did put under his feet, and, when one may say that all things have been subjected, it is evident that He is excepted who did subject the all things to him,
1Co 15:28 and when the all things may be subjected to him, then the Son also himself shall be subject to Him, who did subject to him the all things, that God may be the all in all.
Psalms 138:
2I shall prostrate myself toward Your holy Temple, and I shall give thanks to Your name for Your kindness and for Your truth, for You magnified Your word over all Your names.
Location: East Central Pennsylvania/ Chicago for 6yrs.
2,535 posts, read 3,300,823 times
Reputation: 1483
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard1965
[/font]
THE OLD TESTAMENT IS NOT THE HEBREW BIBLE...HELLO?....ARE YOU LISTENING!!!???....
You are not getting it ...the NAME "Complete Jewish Bible" Is merely a Bible Version of many. Of course the term Bible is not referring to a OFFICIAL SANCTIONED VERSION IN JUDIAISM FOR JEWS IN SYNOGUES.
I like utilizing and comparing other Bible VERSIONS. A great tool is . It has like 45 versions in English, of any bible verse you can look up and compare and too many to count.... non-English versions.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard1965
[/font] The TaNaKh is spelled TNK, the two a's are not added to aid pronunciation, they are part of the pronunciation...They are called Nikkudot...Torah means instruction...K'tuvim are not OTHER writings, they ARE writing as differentiated from Mitzvot or commands and prophecies....
TaNaKh (תַּנַ”ךְ) also spelled Tanach, Tenakh, or Tenak is an acronym formed from the initial Hebrew letters of the three traditional subdivisions of the Hebrew Bible:
Torah תּוֹרָה (Law)
Nevi’im נְבִיאִים (Prophets)
Ketuvim כְּתוּבִים (Writings)
Tanakh is also called “Miqra” (מקרא), meaning “that which is read.”
The Torah contains five books: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers Deuteronomy
The Neviʾim comprise eight books subdivided into the Former Prophets, containing the four historical works; Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings, and the Latter Prophets, the oracular discourses of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the Twelve (Minor) Prophets—Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi. The Twelve were all formerly written on a single scroll and thus reckoned as one book.
The Ketuvimconsist of religious poetry and wisdom literature--Psalms, Proverbs, Job a collection known as the “Five Megillot” (“scrolls”; i.e.,, Song of Songs, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Esther, which have been grouped together according to the annual cycle of their public reading in the synagogue)—and the books of.Daniel, Ezra, Nehemiah, and Chronicles.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard1965
[/font] Malachi is not a prophet...Malachi is not a person's name...Malach is Hebrew for a messenger...
מלאכי
(biblical) emissary, messenger
In other words, you don't really know who wrote Malachi....
In Hebrew the book is titled ykalm meaning messenger of Yahweh or my messenger Nothing is known of Malachi apart from this book The Septuagint superscription is ἐν χειρὶ ἀγγέλου αὐτοῦ, (by the hand of his messenger).
Author: Malachi 1:1 Identifies the author of the Book of Malachi as the Prophet Malachi.
Three other messengers besides the author are mentioned in the book: the priest (2:7); the forerunner of Messiah (3:1); and the Messenger of the Covenant (3:1)
Date of Writing: The Book of Malachi was written between 440 and 400 B.C But Some believe between 568-433. Malachi must be after 515 B.C. because that was when the temple was finished; the degeneration of worship may imply that some time has passed since its completion
Purpose of Writing:The Book of Malachi is an oracle: The word of the Lord to Israel through Malachi (1:1). This was God’s warning through Malachi to tell the people to turn back to God. As the final book of the Old Testament closes, the pronouncement of God’s justice and the promise of His restoration through the coming Messiah is ringing in the ears of the Israelites. Four hundred years of silence ensues, ending with a similar message from God’s next prophet, John the Baptist, proclaiming, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near”( Matthew 3:2).
Malachi wrote the words of the Lord to God’s chosen people who had gone astray, especially the priests who had turned from the Lord. Priests were not treating the sacrifices they were to make to God seriously. Animals with blemishes were being sacrificed even though the law demanded animals without defect (Deuteronomy 15:21).
The men of Judah were dealing with the wives of their youth treacherously and wondering why God would not accept their sacrifices.
Also, people were not tithing as they should have been (Leviticus 27:30, 32).
But in spite of the people’s sin and turning away from God, Malachi reiterates God’s love for His people (Malachi 1:1-5)
And His promises of a coming Messenger (Malachi 2:17-3:5).
Malachi 1:1-2 God's declaration of His love for IsraelMalachi 1:3-5 God's hatred for Esau and the EdomitesMalachi 1:6-14 The unrepentant priests
Malachi 2:1-9 God's punishment on the unrepentant priests
Malachi 2:10-16 First oracle against the people
Malachi 2:17 Second oracle against the people
Malachi 3:1-6 The prophecy of the Messiah and His forerunner
Malachi 3:7-12 Third Oracle: The people's sin of robbing God
Malachi 3:13-4:3 Fourth Oracle: The people's sin of speaking against the Lord
Malachi 4:4-6 The priests and people are warned
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard1965
[/font] This site is a biased Christian site...Of course it will agree with you...
But of course. Jews do not proselytize. But the sight explains Jewish terms and roots to Judaism, for common Christians.
You are not getting it ...the NAME "Complete Jewish Bible" Is merely a Bible Version of many. Of course the term Bible is not referring to a OFFICIAL SANCTIONED VERSION IN JUDIAISM FOR JEWS IN SYNOGUES.
I like utilizing and comparing other Bible VERSIONS. A great tool is . It has like 45 versions in English, of any bible verse you can look up and compare and too many to count.... non-English versions.
TaNaKh (תַּנַ”ךְ) also spelled Tanach, Tenakh, or Tenak is an acronym formed from the initial Hebrew letters of the three traditional subdivisions of the Hebrew Bible:
Torah תּוֹרָה (Law)
Nevi’im נְבִיאִים (Prophets)
Ketuvim כְּתוּבִים (Writings)
Tanakh is also called “Miqra” (מקרא), meaning “that which is read.”
The Torah contains five books: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers Deuteronomy
The Neviʾim comprise eight books subdivided into the Former Prophets, containing the four historical works; Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings, and the Latter Prophets, the oracular discourses of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the Twelve (Minor) Prophets—Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi. The Twelve were all formerly written on a single scroll and thus reckoned as one book.
The Ketuvimconsist of religious poetry and wisdom literature--Psalms, Proverbs, Job a collection known as the “Five Megillot” (“scrolls”; i.e.,, Song of Songs, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Esther, which have been grouped together according to the annual cycle of their public reading in the synagogue)—and the books of.Daniel, Ezra, Nehemiah, and Chronicles.
In Hebrew the book is titled ykalm meaning messenger of Yahweh or my messenger Nothing is known of Malachi apart from this book The Septuagint superscription is ἐν χειρὶ ἀγγέλου αὐτοῦ, (by the hand of his messenger).
Author: Malachi 1:1 Identifies the author of the Book of Malachi as the Prophet Malachi.
Three other messengers besides the author are mentioned in the book: the priest (2:7); the forerunner of Messiah (3:1); and the Messenger of the Covenant (3:1)
Date of Writing: The Book of Malachi was written between 440 and 400 B.C But Some believe between 568-433. Malachi must be after 515 B.C. because that was when the temple was finished; the degeneration of worship may imply that some time has passed since its completion
Purpose of Writing:The Book of Malachi is an oracle: The word of the Lord to Israel through Malachi (1:1). This was God’s warning through Malachi to tell the people to turn back to God. As the final book of the Old Testament closes, the pronouncement of God’s justice and the promise of His restoration through the coming Messiah is ringing in the ears of the Israelites. Four hundred years of silence ensues, ending with a similar message from God’s next prophet, John the Baptist, proclaiming, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near”( Matthew 3:2).
Malachi wrote the words of the Lord to God’s chosen people who had gone astray, especially the priests who had turned from the Lord. Priests were not treating the sacrifices they were to make to God seriously. Animals with blemishes were being sacrificed even though the law demanded animals without defect (Deuteronomy 15:21).
The men of Judah were dealing with the wives of their youth treacherously and wondering why God would not accept their sacrifices.
Also, people were not tithing as they should have been (Leviticus 27:30, 32).
But in spite of the people’s sin and turning away from God, Malachi reiterates God’s love for His people (Malachi 1:1-5)
And His promises of a coming Messenger (Malachi 2:17-3:5).
Malachi 1:1-2 God's declaration of His love for IsraelMalachi 1:3-5 God's hatred for Esau and the EdomitesMalachi 1:6-14 The unrepentant priests
Malachi 2:1-9 God's punishment on the unrepentant priests
Malachi 2:10-16 First oracle against the people
Malachi 2:17 Second oracle against the people
Malachi 3:1-6 The prophecy of the Messiah and His forerunner
Malachi 3:7-12 Third Oracle: The people's sin of robbing God
Malachi 3:13-4:3 Fourth Oracle: The people's sin of speaking against the Lord
Malachi 4:4-6 The priests and people are warned
But of course. Jews do not proselytize. But the sight explains Jewish terms and roots to Judaism, for common Christians.
But you totally missed the point...Malachi is not a name, it is a title...
You can't understand Judaism through Christianity....Christianity is a different religion altogether...
Mark 16:19. <snip>
Luke 22:69. <snip>
Hebrews 1:3. <snip>
John 20:17. <snip> Hebrews 8:1. <snip> Hebrews 10:12. <snip>
<snip>
What possible reason could there be to keep quoting New Testament verses in a conversation about Judaism???
The simple answer to the original question in this thread is that it is the wrong question. Judaism doesn't proselytize because [generally] that is something that religions don't do. That behavior is almost entirely limited to Christians.
If somebody has anything useful to add to this thread, send me a DM.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
