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I don't know if anyone noticed, but this is not in the Christian Section.
That was done deliberately.
If anyone wanted to talk about Vishnu...whom Krishna was an incarnation of...please do.
I myself do not care and most mystics would agree...what 'label' you place on the Creator...put
your idea of "Him" in a skirt if you want...it makes no difference...
It is what It is...He is what He is or She is what She is....for having no gender that is.
This obsession with the Bible is funny to me....and why I wonder why people think of this
Superior Being as something to fear...THAT is why...because of the Bible.
I do think other scriptures do present some punitive aspect of the Creator, tho.
Maybe not as sweeping as the Old Test.
He will be kept in perfect peace who keeps his mind on Me. Isaiah 26:3
God doesn't sound scary to me!
"Delight in Him and He will give you the desires of your heart."
Ps 37:4
Again, not too scary.
But, I know someone will give a list of scary things said about God...sorry I believe they are the ideas and perceptions from primitive minds....also called our savage ancestors.
They couldn't help it...they were afraid and into the blame game.
I know that super offends people that believe every word in the Bible, I am sorry...I could
counter with ...it offends me when people think of my incredible Father God,Creator as anything but
Pure Infinite Love and Loving.
It's like a "Yo' momma" joke....you don't mess with or put down my family.
So if you are offended...well, I am too...sometimes when I allow myself.
Fine. That will do. We can then take it that this God of love which you experience is not just Biblegod (much less the wrathful YHWH), but the god of all religions, Ok with that Royalite? Or not?
Fine. That will do. We can then take it that this God of love which
you experience is not just Biblegod (much less the wrathful YHWH),
but the god of all religions,...
Yes, but I didn't even care for your use of the word religions.
(Shhh, but I really can't stand religions.)
Fine. That will do. We can then take it that this God of love which you experience is not just Biblegod (much less the wrathful YHWH), but the god of all religions, Ok with that Royalite? Or not?
I don't care. lol I'm so far removed from this thread that I don't really know what you're talking about right now. I will say that your words rubbed me the wrong way though.
So the God you believe in is the God of the Old testament but not the God described in the Old testament?
Then why do you think that this God you experience is anything to do with Biblegod? Can you really suppose that, if you had been born in Saudi Arabia it wouldn't have been the god of the Quran or if in India it would be the God of whichever sect of Hinduism you had been born into?
What, other than sheer force of habit, makes it Biblegod?
Okay. Now that I see this post (I missed it, sorry.) I think I get what you were talking about. Sorry.
I don't think it matters what name you call God and I'm afraid I haven't read the Qu'ran or Indians texts so fully that I can claim that these words sing in my heart so I'm afraid I can't comment on that. I do know that when I read the Old Testament, that it's the same God, a very loving God, who seemed to work very hard to keep His people from destruction by their own hands, but for whatever reason, people continued to turn to worship things that had no life.
But overall, when I read from the Old Testament to the new, I see an overall evolution of people and the interaction God had with them.
As a child, like most of us...the majority here, I think are from a Judeo Christian background.
that many reject at a time when youthful rebellion and discovery take place.
Then, I ventured into Eastern.
Mainly after I had 3 books open on my kitch table and on the same day reading they all said the same thing!!
Einstein, Carl Jung and hmm, Bertrand Russell? Ah yes.
They all basically said. Wherever Man is supposed to get to, whether individually or as a whole
he will not do it with religion or his mind.
What?
With my mind "blown" from these respected men, I closed all those books...I began my deliberate search.
Reading any mystic I heard about...St. Teresa of Avila, Kabir, Hafiz, Guru Nanak, Paramahansa...all the
Eastern teachers/swamis, the Gita, ah Krishna,
When I started meditating...that's when the inner doors opened...the rest is history.
I love Jesus and all his words, what we have piecemealed of them...and his direction has helped me so much...along
with the words of Ramana Maharshi, Ramakrishna, Vivekananda.....and the bunch.
There you have it... I don't believe in blind faith and see no reason at all for anyone to believe in God or a Superior Presence.
Why?
Bec someone told u there was one?
Odd that you take this other man's experiences and ultimate conclusions as acceptable (because they agree with you) and not Miss Hepburn's or mine. I begin to see the possible source of your increasingly more derogatory position in the bold excerpts quoted here. There are very persistent and consistent enemies of my views who proclaim some agenda of mine to deceive . . . (your preferred word being bamboozle). They also repeatedly assert that there is absolutely no evidence and no good reason to believe me. It seems you may have been conscripted in the service of their views.
He has been, Miss Hepburn . . . but it seems he has been corrupted in the service of a more aggressive and disrespectful atheism.
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Originally Posted by AREQUIPA
Now you are being disrespectful to me. And atheism. I offer the experience as others as an evidential counter to the apparent claim that the experience of God is actually God when the experience of others that it isn't confounds that. Again a dishonest argument on your part and not wishing to wound, but it is. You fail to understand and you misrepresent and ad hom. That is what I meant that you found so hurtful.
I agree and apologize for lumping you in with those I have on ignore. But I will always find suspect any poster who makes the insupportable claim that "there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever" or "no reason whatsoever to believe in God". . . that is patently untrue and definitely NOT open minded. That was why I said in my post:
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
Whenever I see the "there is no good reason for us to believe it" accusation or anything similar . . . I know it emanates from those quarters where there is NO open mindedness . . . only derision and mocking . . . if not direct flame-baiting and denigration. I have two posters on ignore for that reason. Don't join them by being a proxy attacker for them and their "absolutely no evidence whatsoever" views, Arequipa. There may not be ENOUGH evidence to meet your "forward planning" criterion, Arequipa . . . but there IS evidence and reason to believe.
So to repeat for emphasis:
There may not be ENOUGH evidence to meet your "forward planning" criterion, Arequipa . . . but there IS evidence and reason to believe.
There may not be ENOUGH evidence to meet your "forward planning" criterion, Arequipa . . . but there IS evidence and reason to believe.
What there is not is VERIFIABLE and TESTABLE evidence and that is the sort of evidence that matters.
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I offer the experience as others as an evidential counter to the apparent claim that the experience of God is actually God when the experience of others that it isn't confounds that. Again a dishonest argument on your part and not wishing to wound, but it is. You fail to understand and you misrepresent and ad hom. That is what I meant that you found so hurtful.
