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Old 03-20-2016, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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The faster a person drops off of unemployment, the faster the unemployment "numbers" go down.. The easier they can claim NC unemployment is "low"...
Actually, unemployment insurance has NOTHING to do with the Unemployment rate for a state, which is a national statistic.

It's based on surveys of who is LOOKING for a job and doesn't have one.
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Old 03-20-2016, 09:03 PM
 
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So what is this BS from corporations and gov't that they don't have enough qualified applicants to fill the roles? So many local people that need jobs, yet they keep getting outsourced or in-sourced via Visa programs.
There is tremendous political pressure to continue doing this - it benefits upper management and keeps labor costs "down" on balance sheets that is. Never mind deteriorating quality and huge risk to intellectual property loss.

In the recent GOP primary the candidate that won the vast majority of votes in Wake county favored increasing the H1B Visa program by 500%! Apparently many in the area think being outsourced is a great thing.
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Old 03-20-2016, 09:08 PM
 
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Of course tell that to many of the recent STEM graduates who invested much time and money to get into a high tech field only to be underemployed and outclassed by H1Bs with many years of experience and do not need to be paid for training.


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There is tremendous political pressure to continue doing this - it benefits upper management and keeps labor costs "down" on balance sheets that is. Never mind deteriorating quality and huge risk to intellectual property loss.

In the recent GOP primary the candidate that won the vast majority of votes in Wake county favored increasing the H1B Visa program by 500%! Apparently many in the area think being outsourced is a great thing.
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Old 03-20-2016, 09:13 PM
 
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Actually, unemployment insurance has NOTHING to do with the Unemployment rate for a state, which is a national statistic.

It's based on surveys of who is LOOKING for a job and doesn't have one.
I stand corrected then..

Nevertheless, I still feel the CPS method that actually use according to your link has even more potential for manipulation..
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Old 03-20-2016, 09:33 PM
 
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Of course tell that to many of the recent STEM graduates who invested much time and money to get into a high tech field only to be underemployed and outclassed by H1Bs with many years of experience and do not need to be paid for training.
As someone who has been in the industry for around three decades I would like to clarify this:

When they first arrived, the foreign scientists represented the best their respective countries had to offer. As the years passed, their numbers increased and the quality decreased..

Now I am witness to poor quality work, horribly written technical documents, unscrupulous behavior, industrial espionage, and the most blatant acts of discrimination I have ever seen (Chinese being the worst offenders). You are not outclassed, believe me - just undercut and betrayed...
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Old 03-20-2016, 11:03 PM
 
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Cheaper labor. Labor that cannot quit easily for a better job or more money.
This x1000. Plenty of qualified people, or who could become qualified in a very short period of time, but not at entry level wages. Companies want H1B's so they can have the person work in the US (to avoid the stigma of offshoring and get the resource in a US time zone) but want to pay offshore wages. The H1Bs fit the bill because they will work for less and cannot easily move jobs because they will be kicked out of the country.
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Old 03-20-2016, 11:46 PM
 
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This x1000. Plenty of qualified people, or who could become qualified in a very short period of time, but not at entry level wages. Companies want H1B's so they can have the person work in the US (to avoid the stigma of offshoring and get the resource in a US time zone) but want to pay offshore wages. The H1Bs fit the bill because they will work for less and cannot easily move jobs because they will be kicked out of the country.
I think the whole H1B program needs to be revamped.

As long as the program remains in its current form, wages will stay lower. It's unfair to everyone BUT corporations.
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Old 03-20-2016, 11:59 PM
 
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I think the whole H1B program needs to be revamped.
It should of been scrapped ever since corporations started abusing it, but the current wave of politicians want to only increase it.
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Old 03-21-2016, 01:31 AM
 
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It should of been scrapped ever since corporations started abusing it, but the current wave of politicians want to only increase it.
Yes, I see many employment ads designed to not produce an applicant here but to create the fiction that nobody here wants the job. Then, the employer brings in a visa candidate to work cheap.

All these visas need to be ended,

When I worked at Mobil Oil, I was sent for a postgrad course to become an analyst after acing an aptitude test while working in the credit department. In USPS, many IT analysts started in the field and rose through education.

That's how we got people who not only knew IT but understood the business model.
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Old 03-22-2016, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I stand corrected then..

Nevertheless, I still feel the CPS method that actually use according to your link has even more potential for manipulation..
No worries, it's a common misconception. And yes, it underestimates the actual number of people who'd like a job, because many give up and are then considered "no longer in the job market", so they're not in the denominator anymore. Or people who got laid off as systems analysts who are now Wal-Mart greeters 2 days a week--still considered "employed".

But, especially in a state like NC with some of the harshest unemployment insurance rules (cutting the length of time you can receive it, etc), judging "unemployment" by who is receiving unemployment checks vastly underestimates those who are very much unemployed but for any of many reasons aren't getting unemployment checks.
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