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The people elect politicians who reflect their political viewpoints.
The politicians then, some of the time, carry out the will of the people who elected them.
In this case, the people have spoken. DA, DT is in violation of some of the most basic human rights that we recognize as a country. It's a vile and despicable program that has no place in a civilized country. So the miltary's masters, the people who elect politicians, have spoken and said to get rid of it.
The military must obey. And the USA moves one step closer to being a better country.
Here's what I find so laughable about the bigots that support DA, DT with all their excuses and justifications and how they keep claiming this will hurt the military and studies need to be undertaken and blah, blah, blah...gay people are already serving with no ill effects. No studies need be undertaken, no special barracks created, no nothing. They are already in the military, serving proudly. They can just identify themselves for who they are.
What people who keep screaming about how terrible this is are really saying is how afraid and bigoted they are.
Good post. The way some people in this thread are talking about the military is kind of scary - as if it's beyond the laws.
..under the guidelines of DADT, so whats the problem?
"Bigot"?!? I find that when people resort to childish name calling it is because they are losing an argument. It really does nothing to further your point. Lets not go there, ok?
And..well, apparently you dont know a whole lot about the military (and i dont mean that in a mean way). And I dont believe I have said one way or another about what I "personally" feel about dadt, all I said is that more goes into it than just repealing it. I think you are letting your emotions override your logic, and I mean that sincerely. Just calm down. It is nothing personal against gay people. I have said that from the very beginning. And I am sorry, we are just gonna have to agree to disagree...I believe that the military knows best what is the right thing to do for the military...period.
I'm perfectly calm, and I don't see why you would assume otherwise.
No, the military doesn't know what's best. If it did, it never would have enacted such a stupid policy that prevents valuable people from serving their country.
Thank God it's being told to grow up.
As far as being bigoted goes, supporting systematic and open discrimination makes you a bigot. Period.
It's not exactly rocket-science to figure out how to handle living situations and benefits. There are already gays in the military, you know.
I am referring to on-post family housing for gay couples and their families. And how is that gonna work in states that dont recognize gay marriage (in terms of benefits and how it will be covered in off-post care). Will Tricare still cover it or will a secondary insurance have to be taken to cover domestic partnerships and will that carry across all states? I guess it is not all that complicated, but dont you think those guidelines should be put in place first.
I am referring to on-post family housing for gay couples and their families. And how is that gonna work in states that dont recognize gay marriage (in terms of benefits and how it will be covered in off-post care). Will Tricare still cover it or will a secondary insurance have to be taken to cover domestic partnerships and will that carry across all states? I guess it is not all that complicated, but dont you think those guidelines should be put in place first.
Treat them like everyone else. No better, no worse.
I'm perfectly calm, and I don't see why you would assume otherwise.
No, the military doesn't know what's best. If it did, it never would have enacted such a stupid policy that prevents valuable people from serving their country.
Thank God it's being told to grow up.
As far as being bigoted goes, supporting systematic and open discrimination makes you a bigot. Period.
But I thought the civilians control the military and the military just does what it is told by the politicians that we vote in to office? If that is the case...then the military was just enforcing the policy that it was told to enforce by...well according to you, the politicians via the civilians ("the military masters") in the first place.
And once again, I have never voiced a personal opinion about dadt. You are assuming. All i am saying (like a freakin broken record) is let the military decide.
But I thought the civilians control the military and the military just does what it is told by the politicians that we vote in to office? If that is the case...then the military was just enforcing the policy that it was told to enforce by...well according to you, the politicians via the civilians ("the military masters") in the first place.
And once again, I have never voiced a personal opinion about dadt. You are assuming. All i am saying (like a freakin broken record) is let the military decide.
The majority of people at the time supported allowing gay people in the military. However, the more powerful politicians did not, and blocked it. DA, DT was compromise, not perfect but the best available at the time.
We then handed the country over to that bumbling idiot who was convinced the baby Jeebus was on his side, and no way was he going to let them *****s serve in the by-God military.
Finally we've got politicians in place who will stand up to the religious right ruining the country and tell them to shove it.
Its obvious the military is incapable of deciding on its own. DA, DT had to be rammed through over their kicking and screaming, and all it has done is systematically discriminate while at the same time costing us extremely valuable service men and women. The same militry that had to be dragged kicking and screaming in to racial integration, in to allowing women to serve in more capacaties. If we let the military decide these things, we'd still have an all-male, all-white military, and as bad as things are now, they would be exponentially worse that way.
The majority of people at the time supported allowing gay people in the military. However, the more powerful politicians did not, and blocked it. DA, DT was compromise, not perfect but the best available at the time.
We then handed the country over to that bumbling idiot who was convinced the baby Jeebus was on his side, and no way was he going to let them *****s serve in the by-God military.
Finally we've got politicians in place who will stand up to the religious right ruining the country and tell them to shove it.
Its obvious the military is incapable of deciding on its own. DA, DT had to be rammed through over their kicking and screaming, and all it has done is systematically discriminate while at the same time costing us extremely valuable service men and women. The same militry that had to be dragged kicking and screaming in to racial integration, in to allowing women to serve in more capacaties. If we let the military decide these things, we'd still have an all-male, all-white military, and as bad as things are now, they would be exponentially worse that way.
WoW...umm, ok.
I think I (and others) now really see where you are coming from. It is pretty clear now how (and from which side) you are approaching this. It is sad that you obviously think our military is a bunch of idiots that cant decide anything on its own. You have a good night and sleep tight knowing that our "incapable" military will always protect your right to say that they are "incapable of deciding anything on its own". That is just sad.
I think I (and others) now really see where you are coming from. It is pretty clear now how (and from which side) you are approaching this. It is sad that you obviously think our military is a bunch of idiots that cant decide anything on its own. You have a good night and sleep tight knowing that our "incapable" military will always protect your right to say that they are "incapable of deciding anything on its own". That is just sad.
Learn to read. I did not say "decide anything", I said decide this issue.
And I'm happy to spell out exactly what "side" I am approaching this from. Except someone already did it for me, a couple hundred years ago.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal"
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