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Doctors (particularly specialist /surgeons) put their life on hold for YEARS. Take the average 18 year old and tell him you will need to study 4 years undergrad, 4 years med school, 1-4 years residency 1-2 years of a fellowship(if specializing) before you see $$. Docs make very little hourly during these years. They are one of the few professions where you literally are chasing the dangling carrot and it does pay off in the end...12+ years later. Long term goals. I have a difficult time believing most go into medicine for the money. Very few do and I am sure it is difficult to watch your friends that have a 4 year degree start making decent money in their mid 20's pass you by, taking the exotic vacations or vacations,...period as you have very little "play" time while you study nose to the grind stone, buying the nice car, first home etc. then knowing you will make alot one day but when you are in your 30's. I am an RN. The majority of doctors love their patients and unfortunately often out of necessity ,prioritize their patients needs ahead of family and their pursuit of happiness (missing Christmas, birthdays,their kids activities etc). Most also are up before sunrise and work 10+hours a day and then when on call often can be up all night and may have to do a clinic the following day with no sleep. Is this safe?? No but it happens. How would you like to do any job and seee no pay for it?? Do you ever have clients cuss you out while you are helping them? I have been in the ER when a druggie/drunk comes in and while the doctor is trying to stitch them back together or save their life, they get to hear the often non paying patient call them every nasty name in the book, claw and even kick at them goin g so far as to even insult the doctors mothers, wives to get a rise. I have had to walk away yet the doc continues to do what is necessary to save a life so he tunes out the rant.The ones to bash in my opinion are the insurance companies and greedy lawyers!
Now add in the shift differential and overtime. Now you're at the 90-100K that I noted.
Again, there are loads of nurses doing overtime every week. They're bringing in six figures.
No question about it, nursing is high yield, financially, as a career, first of all, it is not competitive to get into nursing school, basically anyone with interest can get in, then with starting salaries over 45,000 with a 4 year degree, it is one of the most profitable, they remain in big demand, at least for now, my cousin is a home health nurse, she spends 4-5 hours a day visiting patients with diabetes, getting their glucose levels, and making sure they are not extremely high or low, then spends a few hours
doing paperwork at the office, for this, she makes over $90,000/yr, I have a friend who is an internist, works an average of 60 hours per week, patients are always calling, he does call for the hospital, has all sorts of pressures, makes $140,000/yr, How does that compare?????, obviously not to mention all the tribulation he endured for so many years to become a physician........
The internists, general practitioners, primary care docs are among the least paid. I'm sure that's part of the appeal of the specialties...as you say, why go through the tribulation of med school and internships when the payoff of primary care is rather unremarkable, and the responsibilities much the same.
As far as nursing...I anticipate that will continue to be a lucrative field. The current shortage is expected to worsen, demand remains high. Good news for potential nurses.
Just like with every other service or product you buy there is usually some sort of satisfaction guarantee. If the product or service doesn't deliver, you don't pay. This should apply to doctors services as well.
Wouldn't it be great (and I believe in parts of Asia it used to be this way) if doctors didn't get paid until after you regained your robust health? That would put an end to our stupid health insurance crisis and make everyone in the country a lot healthier. You'd see IMMEDIATELY medical doctors treating people with chronic and degenerative conditions and diseases referring their patients to Naturopathic Doctors who ARE trained to do this; who CAN get people off their medications; strengthen their immune systems and even get rid of so-called "incurable" (by western medicine) diseases. You'd probably see doctors in droves trying to get their N.M.D. degree instead of just an M.D.
Instead for those that don't know any better which is most Americans, you limit your medical care to medical doctors; pay through the nose for so called "health" care....don't get any better and often get worse ....and doctors still make a killing. Yes I think doctors get paid too much considering they don't have to guarantee any results. If the truth be told, except in acute cases, they aren't even trained to give results..just to cover up symptoms and make money while doing it.
Just like with every other service or product you buy there is usually some sort of satisfaction guarantee. If the product or service doesn't deliver, you don't pay. This should apply to doctors services as well.
Wouldn't it be great (and I believe in parts of Asia it used to be this way) if doctors didn't get paid until after you regained your robust health? That would put an end to our stupid health insurance crisis and make everyone in the country a lot healthier. You'd see IMMEDIATELY medical doctors treating people with chronic and degenerative conditions and diseases referring their patients to Naturopathic Doctors who ARE trained to do this; who CAN get people off their medications; strengthen their immune systems and even get rid of so-called "incurable" (by western medicine) diseases. You'd probably see doctors in droves trying to get their N.M.D. degree instead of just an M.D.
Instead for those that don't know any better which is most Americans, you limit your medical care to medical doctors; pay through the nose for so called "health" care....don't get any better and often get worse ....and doctors still make a killing. Yes I think doctors get paid too much considering they don't have to guarantee any results. If the truth be told, except in acute cases, they aren't even trained to give results..just to cover up symptoms and make money while doing it.
Wow. That is certainly an interesting view.
So, in your mind, "naturopathic doctors" are the route to go? Great! I will send any chronic patient I have to them for 'definitive treatment".
That is certainly the best laugh I have had in a week.
Did you ever wonder................
1. if this was so cheap and effective, why insurance companies do not INSIST that patients go these practitioners, who will cure everyone at a fraction of the cost, causing insurance companies profits to go up several fold?
2. Why, when these "natural" remedies have been available for hundreds of years, why the life expectancy has doubled, and infant mortality is a fraction of what it once was?
3. Why those "naturalistic doctors" do not have a markedly longer life expectancy and lower incidence of cancer and CAD than the rest of the population?
4. Why pharmaceutical companies just stop making real pharmaceuticals and go the making herbals and "natural" medicines, surpassing the sales of all thier other competitors, driving them out of buisness, and becoming the defualt pharmaceutical manufacturer in the world?
5. how it is that these "natural" products are all ultimately chemicals, and just poorly controlled pharmaceuticals?
6. Why there are no RANDOMIZED, BLINDED, PROSPECTIVE STUDIES, SHOWING THE EFFICACY OF SUCH TREATMENT? Newsflash- it does not exist, as these "treatments" are fraudulent hoaxes. The zombie believers will actually say that the medical establishment "knows" about these treatments and just hides them, such that the whole industry can profit. If that was true, don't you think we would use those meds and techniques on ourselves (to get well) and then let the rest of the population remain ill such that we could profit?
I love when "natural" whackjobs come to me for actual treatment when they have found thier "natural" medicines have been ineffective in a situation that could have otherwise been easily cured. I take the time to point out thier incredible ignorance and to not be so stupid the next time, as thier blind faith in voodoo may kill them the next time. God looks out for the misguided, but punishes idiots.
Tell you what- the next time you are having a heart attack, a serious infection, an endocrine problem (such as diabetes), or have marked hypertension, just go to a "natural doctor" and let them treat you. It will be social Darwinism in action.
Last edited by hawkeye2009; 04-08-2010 at 01:03 PM..
IMO, I don't care how much a Physician makes - nor anyone else for that matter.
Again, IMO, to even suggest that there should be some sort of income ceiling, and anytime one suggests that so and so make "too much money", that is what is being suggested - putting a income cap - to me this is as Anti-American as it can get.
According to Payscale.com, the average hourly salary for a Pediatric Nurse with one year of experience is $20.36. A nurse with 5-9 years of experience earns approximately $26.83 an hour, and a nurse with 10-19 years of experience averages $29.53 per hour.
Multiply the hourly by 2000 and you get the yearly. So ~$40K- $60K, depending on experience. Those numbers sound right to me, an experience RN.
It's probably she worked fewer hours as an RN.
I know plain old nurses that exploit the OT system, or work undesireable shifts and make far more than the figures you state. particularly travel nurses. Your figurs don't necessarily define all people in a profession. Sorta like the B.S. statistics that imply all teachers make 70K per year.
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