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Even at the highest salary level, you'd make about $86K/yr. Nurses who work 12 hr. shifts work 3 days/wk. There is no way, physically, you could do more.
There's no way you can physically work more than 36 hours per week??
It's very easy to do four 12 hour shifts per week...2 on, 3 off, 2 on. Piece of cake.
Check out the salary range for east coast city hospitals. Again, experienced nurses are making 35-40/hour, before shift differential.
Even at the highest salary level, you'd make about $86K/yr. Nurses who work 12 hr. shifts work 3 days/wk. There is no way, physically, you could do more.
I hope you realize most RN who work in the ICU make way over 100K a year depending on location. High cost areas like NY, SF, DC.
Heck even the "average RN" at the VA makes $70K a year with $40K in benefits (no wonder why those VA nurses never want to leave...just google the USATODAY within the past month to find those salaries).
But do doctors really make too much. Remember Linda Tripp (yes the same linda tripp involved with Monica Lewinsky/Bill clinton). She was making almost $100K a year as some type of "executive secretary at the DOD) and that's salary level form over 10 years ago.
Doctors salaries adjusted for inflation have continued to decrease year after year. I remember my colllegues in Radiology and Anesthesiology who routinely made over $500K a year in the 1980's when reimbursements were much higher. You realize how much $500K a year in 1980s money is worth these days? That's a lot.
Than factor in the fact that doctor's overall salary makes up less than 10% of of all of healthcare spending. In the 1990's that number was around 17%. So where is all of the "wasteful" healthcare dollars being spent? I'm afraid everyone knows the answer (republicans and democrats) but no one wants answer. I'll give you a hint why no politician wants to cut Defense spending. And it doesn't have anything to do with the protection of our soldiers or country.
It's simple, JOBS people. To cut the pork out of healthcare spending, like defense spending means eliminating jobs. That's why we will continue have a crisis even after this health bill has been pass. From the CEO of insurance companies down to the janitors at the local hospital. Healthcare is it's own economy and it means loss of jobs. There's something along the line for each doctor who runs his own business, his employs at least 10 jobs. Very few politicans have the guts jobs in healthcare. They just keep spending and spending like there's no tomorrow.
Other doctors in other countries go through the same thing yet they're making less money than doctors in the United States
I'd like to close the gap between specialists and primary care doctors.
We should make medical school more affordable and put incentives in place for primary care docs like they do in England. Doctors get bonuses when they have healthier patients. Of course I understand doctors can't make their patients lead healthier lifestyles but there's nothing wrong with giving doctors incentives to talk to patients about not smoking, eating better, getting vaccinations, etc.
I'd like to see us move away from fee-for-service as well.
I hope you realize most RN who work in the ICU make way over 100K a year depending on location. High cost areas like NY, SF, DC.
Heck even the "average RN" at the VA makes $70K a year with $40K in benefits (no wonder why those VA nurses never want to leave...just google the USATODAY within the past month to find those salaries).
But do doctors really make too much. Remember Linda Tripp (yes the same linda tripp involved with Monica Lewinsky/Bill clinton). She was making almost $100K a year as some type of "executive secretary at the DOD) and that's salary level form over 10 years ago.
Doctors salaries adjusted for inflation have continued to decrease year after year. I remember my colllegues in Radiology and Anesthesiology who routinely made over $500K a year in the 1980's when reimbursements were much higher. You realize how much $500K a year in 1980s money is worth these days? That's a lot.
Than factor in the fact that doctor's overall salary makes up less than 10% of of all of healthcare spending. In the 1990's that number was around 17%. So where is all of the "wasteful" healthcare dollars being spent? I'm afraid everyone knows the answer (republicans and democrats) but no one wants answer. I'll give you a hint why no politician wants to cut Defense spending. And it doesn't have anything to do with the protection of our soldiers or country.
It's simple, JOBS people. To cut the pork out of healthcare spending, like defense spending means eliminating jobs. That's why we will continue have a crisis even after this health bill has been pass. From the CEO of insurance companies down to the janitors at the local hospital. Healthcare is it's own economy and it means loss of jobs. There's something along the line for each doctor who runs his own business, his employs at least 10 jobs. Very few politicans have the guts jobs in healthcare. They just keep spending and spending like there's no tomorrow.
Very true, efficiencies result in less jobs.
I remember when I heard about the book called "The Checklist Manifesto" and how the author had a hard time getting hospitals to sign on to using checklists when they found out it would mean they would lose money.
A big reason why health insurance companies hate single-payer is because it will put them out of business. Doctors and hospitals would no longer have to worry about billing all these different companies and dealing with their forms, calling this # and that #, etc. They would just have to deal with one entity for payment.
I'm not in the medical field, but I can appreciate the tolerance required of med students who have to endure a huge world of crap in order to achieve their goals. On top of all that, many of them acquire almost half a million in debt by the time they become licensed. That right there is one damn good reason to make a six figure salary!
I agree. I have no problem with them making good money at all. They provide an invaluable service. Sure, there are idiots in there like in any field. There are some who enter for the wrong reason, for the money. But by and large these people give an awful lot of themselves, and deserve a lot in return.
In a free market the consumer will decide how much doctors make. My doctor is part owner of the clinic where he plies his profession. If I don't like the service I'll go to the even bigger and far more successful clinic owned by the hospital across the highway.
There's no way you can physically work more than 36 hours per week??
It's very easy to do four 12 hour shifts per week...2 on, 3 off, 2 on. Piece of cake.
Check out the salary range for east coast city hospitals. Again, experienced nurses are making 35-40/hour, before shift differential.
Have you done this or are you just guessing?
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Originally Posted by aneftp
I hope you realize most RN who work in the ICU make way over 100K a year depending on location. High cost areas like NY, SF, DC.
Heck even the "average RN" at the VA makes $70K a year with $40K in benefits (no wonder why those VA nurses never want to leave...just google the USATODAY within the past month to find those salaries).
But do doctors really make too much. Remember Linda Tripp (yes the same linda tripp involved with Monica Lewinsky/Bill clinton). She was making almost $100K a year as some type of "executive secretary at the DOD) and that's salary level form over 10 years ago.
Doctors salaries adjusted for inflation have continued to decrease year after year. I remember my colllegues in Radiology and Anesthesiology who routinely made over $500K a year in the 1980's when reimbursements were much higher. You realize how much $500K a year in 1980s money is worth these days? That's a lot.
Than factor in the fact that doctor's overall salary makes up less than 10% of of all of healthcare spending. In the 1990's that number was around 17%. So where is all of the "wasteful" healthcare dollars being spent? I'm afraid everyone knows the answer (republicans and democrats) but no one wants answer. I'll give you a hint why no politician wants to cut Defense spending. And it doesn't have anything to do with the protection of our soldiers or country.
It's simple, JOBS people. To cut the pork out of healthcare spending, like defense spending means eliminating jobs. That's why we will continue have a crisis even after this health bill has been pass. From the CEO of insurance companies down to the janitors at the local hospital. Healthcare is it's own economy and it means loss of jobs. There's something along the line for each doctor who runs his own business, his employs at least 10 jobs. Very few politicans have the guts jobs in healthcare. They just keep spending and spending like there's no tomorrow.
As of November 2009, the middle 50% of ICU nurses earn annual salaries between $57,565 and $67,688. The top 10% earn annual salaries of more than $72,199 (2).
my wife is a RN with her BSN and works in the ICU and makes $21 an hour. we live in toledo ohio which is a major city and they only start at $18-19 » What it’s Like to be a Nurse by EDUGREE
I personally make $36 an hour in ICU which includes an extra $3/hr differential for working the night shift. I only work 3 days a week, which at 12 hours each is 36 hours a week.
(Jan. 2010)
Don't believe everything you hear about nursing salaries.
Other doctors in other countries go through the same thing yet they're making less money than doctors in the United States
I'd like to close the gap between specialists and primary care doctors.
We should make medical school more affordable and put incentives in place for primary care docs like they do in England. Doctors get bonuses when they have healthier patients. Of course I understand doctors can't make their patients lead healthier lifestyles but there's nothing wrong with giving doctors incentives to talk to patients about not smoking, eating better, getting vaccinations, etc.
I'd like to see us move away from fee-for-service as well.
1. Many docs in foriegn countries enter med school after high school
2. training in foriegn countries is significantly cheaper
3. The standard of living and average income in many foriegn countries (non -europe) is significantly less, such that a lower salary still provides a good standard of living for physicans.
4. Many foriegn countries subsidize medical training, making it cheaper for the trainee.
5. Narrow the gap between primary care and specialist doctors-
a. specialists have longer residencies
b. specialists tend to work longer hours
c. specialists have higher malpractice rates
6. Make med school cheaper- Do you have any idea how much that would cost? 125 med schools X 125 students per class = 15,625 students per class.
X4 is the total number of med students in training= 62,500
X $40,00 (which is the estimated "real' cost of training per student per year without federal subsidies. Studies have shown that the "real" cost (not tuition), is up to $100, 000) = $2,500,000,000 to $6,250,000,000 per year. Granted, that is chump change after the trillions that Obama has blown, but it is a cost that the nation would probably not want to pay.
As of November 2009, the middle 50% of ICU nurses earn annual salaries between $57,565 and $67,688. The top 10% earn annual salaries of more than $72,199 (2).
my wife is a RN with her BSN and works in the ICU and makes $21 an hour. we live in toledo ohio which is a major city and they only start at $18-19 » What it’s Like to be a Nurse by EDUGREE
I personally make $36 an hour in ICU which includes an extra $3/hr differential for working the night shift. I only work 3 days a week, which at 12 hours each is 36 hours a week.
(Jan. 2010)
Don't believe everything you hear about nursing salaries.
I don't know why you find it so hard to believe that nurses are making that kind of money. It's really not hard. Be an experienced RN in a major metropolitan area, especially east coast where wages are higher.
As far as overtime...it's there for the taking. And many people don't find it physically difficult to work 4 shifts/week. Time and a half for 16 hours/pay makes it a bit more palatable.
And no, I'm not guessing. That's reality. The same reality that many new NP's discover when they realize their first position as a Nurse Practitioner often results in a pay cut from their bedside RN position.
There's good money to be made in nursing. With a current shortage expected to worsen over the next decade, the bonus and Baylor programs will be back in play.
It is important to know about salaries firsthand,because those lists may not be so accurate...
If we have any physicians & surgeons in CDF ,let's hear about their real income...
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