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Old 08-28-2009, 10:52 PM
 
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Old 08-28-2009, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Had you posted my second line you would not have needed to spin the first. Here's my second line, in case you hadn't read it:
Spin? I didn't quote it because my response to the first line explains why I also necessarily disagree with the "burner" supposition in what followed.

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As for that Cardinal -- how much money do you believe the Kennedy's have lavished upon the Roman Catholic Church in the US. Money had to have bought them something. No Cardinal for Teddy, no more money for the church.
You are seriously taking the position that one can simply buy the favors of the Catholic Church in such a way that the Church must compromise its teachings? If that's the case, it isn't much of a church to be followed, which I happen to disagree with.
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Old 08-28-2009, 11:05 PM
 
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OMG! YOU took that post seriously??!!
My post was not addressed to you. Another poster stated that the Pope championed the cover up of molestation charges.
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Old 08-28-2009, 11:07 PM
 
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Spin? I didn't quote it because my response to the first line explains why I also necessarily disagree with the "burner" supposition in what followed.



You are seriously taking the position that one can simply buy the favors of the Catholic Church in such a way that the Church must compromise its teachings? If that's the case, it isn't much of a church to be followed, which I happen to disagree with.
Catholic leaders are humans just like everyone else. They can be bought and have been bought in many instances via large contributions to their parishes.
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Old 08-28-2009, 11:08 PM
 
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My post was not addressed to you. Another poster stated that the Pope championed the cover up of molestation charges.
Again.......
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Old 08-28-2009, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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Spin? I didn't quote it because my response to the first line explains why I also necessarily disagree with what followed.
What followed was my acknowledging that he didn't allow the church to flavor his politics, aka the free will you touted previously.



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You are seriously taking the position that one can simply buy the favors of the Catholic Church in such a way that the Church must compromise its teachings? If that's the case, it isn't much of a church to be followed, which I happen to disagree with.
Given the fact that the Cardinal of the Archdiocese of Boston is giving the Prayer of Commendation, it says something. Despite the fact that Kennedy was pro choice, he might have sought Reconcilliation for his transgressions public and private.

But to address your question: Are you a wealthy Catholic? If so, you know the truth. Favor can be curried within the church by significant donations. The Church is comprised of men, men are fallible. Because one man within the church fails to uphold the teachings of the Church, does not mean that the whole Church is corrupt. Sort of like politicians. One corrupt elected official doesn't mean they are all corrupt, does it?
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Old 08-28-2009, 11:14 PM
 
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Again.......
The slapping your forehead icon is pretty lame and doesn't do one thing to effectively communicate your true message.
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Old 08-28-2009, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Catholic leaders are humans just like everyone else. They can be bought and have been bought in many instances via large contributions to their parishes.
And if that's the case, then why would anyone hold up the Catholic Church as the absolute arbiter of morality? People can't have it both ways--condemn Kennedy for supposedly not following the moral teachings of the Church and also argue that a cardinal at Kennedy's funeral is merely the result of a monetary exchange in which the Church sacrifices its principles for the dollar.
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Old 08-28-2009, 11:15 PM
 
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What followed was my acknowledging that he didn't allow the church to flavor his politics, aka the free will you touted previously.





Given the fact that the Cardinal of the Archdiocese of Boston is giving the Prayer of Commendation, it says something. Despite the fact that Kennedy was pro choice, he might have sought Reconcilliation for his transgressions public and private.

But to address your question: Are you a wealthy Catholic? If so, you know the truth. Favor can be curried within the church by significant donations. The Church is comprised of men, men are fallible. Because one man within the church fails to uphold the teachings of the Church, does not mean that the whole Church is corrupt. Sort of like politicians. One corrupt elected official doesn't mean they are all corrupt, does it?
You hit the nail on the head. Some Catholic church leaders have been bought much to the dismay of the Vatican.
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Old 08-28-2009, 11:19 PM
 
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The slapping your forehead icon is pretty lame and doesn't do one thing to effectively communicate your true message.
ooops. Who would have thought that message would have gone over your head....
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