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From the research I have done on this topic over the past few years, the NT is not "clear" at all about homosexuality. Unless you are referring to certain post-1946 English translations when the word "homosexual" first started to be used (incorrectly) in 1 Cor 6. (the same word is used again in 1 Tim 1).
For centuries the 1 Cor 6:9 verse was used to condemn masturbators, not homosexuals. Strange...but true. Google the Greek words malakoi and arsenokoites and you'll find lot's of information about this.
Neither of these words were used in secular writings of the time to refer to homosexuals. There were other Greek words Paul would have known and could have used if he meant homosexuals in general. He didn't. None of the early church fathers used those words to refer to homosexuals either.
The only other mention in the NT of anything that remotely had to do with same-sex "acts" is Romans 1:26-27. When read in context of the whole letter, Paul is clearly referring to the problem the newly formed church in Rome was having with some of it's members who had been converted to Christianity but who had reverted back to worshipping the local fertility gods in the pagan temples. Part of the worshipping practices involved ritual orgiastic sex where everyone would have sex with everyone else in honour of the fertility gods- no matter the gender. So people who were normally heterosexual would also have sex with people of the same sex. Hardly about homosexuals or homosexuality in general. Paul was having a whinge about Christians who had reverted to idolatrous worship of pagan gods, not homosexuals.
You don't have to take my word for it. There is plenty of information on the internet and even more in books by Biblical scholars and historians. You might be surprised at what you find.
There is really nothing anywhere in the New Testament to base the claim of the NT being "clear" about condemning homosexuality.
Whoever the translator for the Revised Standard Version of 1946 was, he (or they) clearly had an anti-gay prejudice because there is no support at all in the original Greek language or the wider context of the whole letter to use the English word "homosexuals".
That mistranslation has caused a lot of grief for gay people, especially Christian ones, over the past 60 years.
Edited to add: As for Jesus and homosexuality, try reading Matthew 8:5-13 & Luke 7:1-10, then look up how the the Greek word "pais" was commonly used at the time in secular writings. It didn't mean... just a "male servant".
But they turned off millions of others with their so called protest. They need to take a close look at who really voted in california and accept the reality that it was alot of people not preswayed by anyone but them and such actions.
Oh ,and the millions of mormon $$ that paid for false and deceptive advertising campaign did NOTHING to encourage voter prejudice in the prop 8 campaign? the protests were a direct result of an injustice perpetrated on american citizens who happen to be gay. it would be no different than if gov't told you that you weren't allowed to marry plus hundreds of other human rights that you apparently take for granted.
The attendance at the 2008 fair was minimal, and MOST fair goers were not participating in sexual lewdness as evidenced by the photos in your own link. Trying to say that those few, obviously the same men again from your own link's photos, represents the entire GLBT community is like trying to say that the Army of God represents all Christians.
And the sad thing is you cannot even seperate fetish from "straight". For all appearences this is a fetish fair for gay men, not a "gay fair". I would love to see you at Starwood, any other clothing optional event, or any nudist beach, your head would probrably explode with all the nude men and women walking about.
Also, from the fair's site concerning their 2009 fair...
Folsom Street Events encourages all fairgoers to express behavior that is safe and within the law. We encourage everyone to take personal responsibility for providing a positive communal environment for the adult alternative lifestyle community. Lewd acts will be disrupted by our security volunteers who reinforce this message for anyone found on the fairgrounds to be in violation of our policy.
At the suggestion of SFPD, we have implemented a more aggressive graduated policy for violators of the lewdness policy.
Step 1: Verbal warning
Inform the fairgoer that the behavior is not allowed and that they will face ejection from the fair on the next occurance. Step 2: Reminder
Fairgoer will be reminded of the first warning and given a personal escort to the fair exit with notification to gate volunteers not to allow re-entry. Warn the fairgoer that on the next violation of this policy we will escalate to SFPD. Step 3: Turn over to SFPD
SFPD will be called to assist and requested to cite the fairgoer who has violated the lewdness policy.
Lewd behavior in second and third story windows on the fairgrounds will be referred directly to SFPD for intervention. UP YOUR ALLEY FAIR
you know, if you can't even be free to express yourself in san francisco, what hope is there for the rest of the country?!!! this country really sucks.
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I have respect for property rights.. but that is the law.. government can and does take property with purpose through eminent domain...
We're not talking about a piece of property that is a family dwelling..
it is an institution in the center of a city that owns entire blocks and the pedestrian corridors between those city blocks... that are blatently open to the general public..
if they don't want two guys kissing.. or any other activity that is above and beyond the law of the land.. then they need to post their rules for everyone to be aware.. and certain rights of way need to be examined so that it doesnt appear to be a city street.. when in fact it is private property...
Who is the extremist here?? I'm only going off of what the LAW is and what applies to private property... you can dislike it all you want.. but these are realities when it comes to YOUR private property.. it totally depends on what kind of property it is.. where it's located.. etc..If you fail to realize that or think that's garbage.. sorry.. but you're sounding like you have no idea about the realities out there are......
so tout property rights all you want... fact of the matter is.. the church owns a piece of property in the middle of the city that shouldn't have been allowed for them to own in the first place.. examples like this should prove cause for the city to in fact compensate the church properly for the land.. and take it back so that citizens passing through the city don't have to forfeit their civil liberties just to get home or to work or from the train station...
we're not talking about the city block itself.. we're talking about the corridor between two city blocks.. and city blocks in salt lake city are the size of 4 regular city blocks of any other city..
It would be like microsoft moving into your city buying up 8 city blocks AND the street between them all...
streets should not be allowed to be controlled like that...and the city should step in.. and would have every right in doing it...
no, the reality is that these two dudes got their azzes cuffed and booted the hell off the property. that's the reality, and I think it's funny.
Look where sexual permissiveness got us? skyrocketing teenage pregnancies and STDs! I think we need a healthy dose of "puritanism" in our society.
Many of skyrocketing teen pregnancies and STDs are the result of being taught only abstainence. Teens who don't learn how to use birth control properly, will have a higher chance of becoming pregnant and or spreading a STD.
Many of skyrocketing teen pregnancies and STDs are the result of being taught only abstainence. Teens who don't learn how to use birth control properly, will have a higher chance of becoming pregnant and or spreading a STD.
they need only to look at the spawn of their hero St. Sarah Palin.
Many of skyrocketing teen pregnancies and STDs are the result of being taught only abstainence. Teens who don't learn how to use birth control properly, will have a higher chance of becoming pregnant and or spreading a STD.
Indeed. The highest incidences of teen pregnancy and STD's has historically been found among Catholic High School girls.
While I agree that abstinence should be a (small) part of Sex Ed, abtinence only training has proven itself ineffectual, and even counterproductive.
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