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That would be just fine with me. The conservatives can have the white trash states. Places like Oklahoma and Misssissippi. They are welcome to them. Given the choice between California and Mississippi, the choice is obvious to me.
As for the country I don't really care if it breaks up. It is probably too big anyway and the people of the USA have little or nothing in common with each other. We don't share a culture and, increasingly, we do not even share a language. We certainly do not share political and economic views. One group of us thinks that the only thing government should spend a dime on is wars and weapons and that they should not do squat for anybody else. The other thinks that the government should serve the people with such things as highways, healthcare, Social Security and education. One group wants our country to look like Hati (except for the blacks of course) where 10% of the people live lives of luxury and 90% live in total squander. The other group thinks we should look more like Canada. I cast my lot with Canada.
The fact is that the only thing Americans share in common is a flag and nothing else.
Are you one of those libs that promised to move to Canada if Bush won in 2004 and then decided to pull an Obama about your promise? You sure sound like one of them.
From time to time, crazy ideas are flipped on the internet by bored individuals.
What they fail to figure is how to put these crazy ideas into practice. Yes, there are tensions between parts of the population, and some folks would love to see that. But will there be enough support for such move? What happens with liberals who live in the mid west and south? Not to speak about the many conservatives in the NE?
And in-spite of what one may think after reading these forums, the majority of US population occupy the middle ground. Will 200 millions surrender to the will of 20-30 million?
That may well be the best reply on this thread. Be proud of it.
The United States is a nation. Our union can never be broken.
I suppose from a foreigners perspective it looks as if we're breaking under the pressure, but nothing could be further from the truth.
Americans fight like a family. We've got our loud gun totin' Uncles, crazy cat lady spinster Cousins, hippie pot smokin' Grannies, narcissistic self absorbed teenaged sisters and brothers, and bible thumping gray haired Aunts, and we argue like hell sometimes, but when it really matters we come together and work out our problems.
Believe me, the United States has no intention whatsoever to split up, not ever.
Finally an explanation that even Canadians can understand. Seriously speaking, I think you are very right as long as we all have freedom of speech, which may leave some of us soon.
Well then....SURPRISE. I'm a Libertarian and conservative.
Don't own a gun....pro-choice....college educated....born and raised in NYC and lived outside Boston for 15 years....and an athiest to boot.
Geez...I just blew your entire ignorant stereotype out of the water!
The problem with liberals is while they preach tolerance and diversity, they really only mean that it applies to other liberals with whom they agree and who agree with them. Anyone who disagrees with them is "ignorant" or a "redneck" or "anti-higher education" (never heard that one before) or "a christian fundamentalist" or a "racist" or a "xenophobe" or a whole host of other nasty stereotypes.
I think your post shows who is actually the ignorant one.
We are little alike and yet agree on many things. I do not own any guns, and am anti-choice, have an MS deploma and was born and raised and in fact have lived in the sticks of Kansas all but the 3 years I was in the US Army. That makes me 73 years of hick. I am one who considers himself a Christian but never attend church.
After all those differences it seems that we think alike, in spite of the large differences.
As a UK/Aussie/ NZ type Conservative I find it amusing that socialists with a religious bent call themselves Conservatives.
If one expects other regions of a country to pay your costs that makes one a socialist.
Then again I question so called Conservatives who go whining to governments for corporate welfare.
If one is a Conservative, one should allow the cards to fall as they will under the free market system.
First of all, religion is not the base of all conservatism. Quite the opposite actually, since the conservative base are the ones fighting to make sure your freedoms are not compromised by a government seeking to usurp more and more of your personal liberty and freedom. And what is really funny in the new millenia is how people of principal who believe in a God and a reckoning for their deeds at the end of their lives are now labeled as a problem. Sure, there are bad eggs within every religious background, but the plain truth is people don't like the religious because they stick to principles steeped in morality. And morality is the first target of any liberal movement.
And as far as socialists go, I think you have missed something here. The libs are the ones who want to share out the wealth and socialize everything. Under our current "liberal" president we have seen the government takeover of part of the auto industry, banking, and if they get their way they will gain tighter control of the airlines as well. Not to mention the lovely Cap and Trade Bill which will give them the power to tax and share that much more. I think perhaps you should get a better idea what real socialism is because the ones you are calling socialists are far from it. And that seems to be a real big part of the problem. People really don't know what communism and socialism is. Which is why a large majority of our youth have been thoroughly brainwashed into believing their socialist tendencies are actually the defining qualities of democracy. What better way to remove freedom than to convince those you have chosen to rule that the new "socialist" way is democracy at work.
In some ways looking at the amount of anger between religious conservatives and so called liberals I wonder if the USA should break up.
Do you religious conservatives in poorer states need liberals for any purpose other than the taxes they are forced to send to your state via Washington DC ?
The idea of an united states of Canada was humourous at first but I wonder if there is not a grain of truth in the idea.
So a question for American liberals, are you more comfortable with the vast majority of Canadians rather than some small town types whose values are shaped by a book and by the need to keep a firearm close at all times ?
So is the time close for the USA to break up ?
Not sure if you are aware of this, but the majority of America already broke up with the religious conservatives...
As a UK/Aussie/ NZ type Conservative I find it amusing that socialists with a religious bent call themselves Conservatives.
If one expects other regions of a country to pay your costs that makes one a socialist.
I provided an example of a conservative state that does NOT expect other regions of the country to pay its costs.
You simply ignored that in your response and went on to suggest - again - that all conservatives/conservative states expect other regions to pay their way.
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The issue no longer is the religious conservatives vs the left wing loons..it is the folks in the center that will soon be rebelling against both sides..extremism on any side of the spectrum is destructive
Ther are very few people in the center anymore. We are all pretty much either left or right. Maybe 10 to 20% are in the center. Why do you think "moderates" keep losing elections?
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