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Old 05-31-2009, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Here and There
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Originally Posted by Ceece View Post
what is "viable" to you?
Cells I suppose, good luck with all that.
They are all right wing nut jobs.

 
Old 05-31-2009, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Suspect arrested in connection with slaying of abortion provider George Tiller - Kansas City Star (http://www.kansascity.com/116/story/1225769.html?storylink=omni_popular - broken link)

They arrested the man.

Statement from the family;

Quote:
"Today we mourn the loss of our husband, father and grandfather. Today's event is an unspeakable tragedy for all of us and for George's friends and patients.

"This is particularly heart wrenching because George was shot down in his house of worship, a place of peace."
 
Old 05-31-2009, 02:51 PM
 
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Originally Posted by karfar View Post
Yikes, I didn't even know what anencephaly was so I looked it up. I'm sorry, that is horrific, it's like a science fiction or horror movie. I can't even imagine having a baby like that.

Ever heard of hydrocephaly?
Yeah, well... it's pretty common. In the US, it effects 2,584 born children per year; actually, the incidence is even higher, but most hydrocyphalic fetuses are terminated in utero.
It's one of the most common reasons women have late-term abortions.
The fetus's cranial cavity fills with fluid. It can get bigger than a watermelon in extreme cases, and it doesn't even start happening until the third trimester, so terminating it sooner isn't an option; it wouldn't be detectable until late in pregnancy.
The fetus is non-viable in such cases; if born, it will not live.
If born vaginally, it will kill the mother.
The only way it could be delivered alive and still preserve her health is if it were delivered by c-section (and believe me, it would be one ungodly big abdominal incision, and would probably leave the woman unable to bear future offspring); the fetus would be dead at birth, or within minutes or hours of birth.
The other option- the one commonly utilized in clinics like Tiller's- is to put a shunt in the fetus's head to drain off some of the gallons of excess cerebro-spinal fluid, then compact the skull so it will fit through the woman's pelvis, then extract the fetus vaginally.

Sorry if that's not a pretty picture; few life-saving surgeries are pretty. Open heart surgery probably isn't. Neither are colon resections. They are, however, necessary.

Just as late-term D&E abortions are necessary to preserve the life, health, fertility, and bodily integrity of pregnant women who are carrying severely hydrocephalic fetuses.
 
Old 05-31-2009, 02:53 PM
 
Location: California
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Originally Posted by sanrene View Post
Suspect arrested in connection with slaying of abortion provider George Tiller - Kansas City Star (http://www.kansascity.com/116/story/1225769.html?storylink=omni_popular - broken link)

They arrested the man.
This should be interesting..
 
Old 05-31-2009, 02:56 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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Originally Posted by Jane72 View Post
Ever heard of hydrocephaly?
Yeah, well... it's pretty common. In the US, it effects 2,584 born children per year; actually, the incidence is even higher, but most hydrocyphalic fetuses are terminated in utero.
It's one of the most common reasons women have late-term abortions.
The fetus's cranial cavity fills with fluid. It can get bigger than a watermelon in extreme cases, and it doesn't even start happening until the third trimester, so terminating it sooner isn't an option; it wouldn't be detectable until late in pregnancy.
The fetus is non-viable in such cases; if born, it will not live.
If born vaginally, it will kill the mother.
The only way it could be delivered alive and still preserve her health is if it were delivered by c-section (and believe me, it would be one ungodly big abdominal incision, and would probably leave the woman unable to bear future offspring); the fetus would be dead at birth, or within minutes or hours of birth.
The other option- the one commonly utilized in clinics like Tiller's- is to put a shunt in the fetus's head to drain off some of the gallons of excess cerebro-spinal fluid, then compact the skull so it will fit through the woman's pelvis, then extract the fetus vaginally.

Sorry if that's not a pretty picture; few life-saving surgeries are pretty. Open heart surgery probably isn't. Neither are colon resections. They are, however, necessary.

Just as late-term D&E abortions are necessary to preserve the life, health, fertility, and bodily integrity of pregnant women who are carrying severely hydrocephalic fetuses.
Yeesh! Well I certainly think the majority of people would be responsive to a woman having a late-term abortion in those instances. How horrible to have to deal w/that.
 
Old 05-31-2009, 03:00 PM
 
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Ok, this thread has been reported more times than it has been posted on, which is a lot.

Closed pending chilled tempers, passions, and my sorting through this train wreck
 
Old 05-31-2009, 04:30 PM
 
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Ok, we are opened back up for business, however...

first, if there are any disjointed posts due to a missed edit, sorry but this went from 7 pages down to 3 so far. Lots of wasted time responding to off topic stuff that I deleted in a near instant.

Also, folks, lets stick to the topic at hand and if it goes afoul again, I can promise the next response from me will not be so relaxed.
 
Old 05-31-2009, 04:31 PM
 
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Ah, the floorshow is back! Whoo-hoo!
 
Old 05-31-2009, 04:32 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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Originally Posted by TnHilltopper View Post
Ok, we are opened back up for business, however...

first, if there are any disjointed posts due to a missed edit, sorry but this went from 7 pages down to 3 so far. Lots of wasted time responding to off topic stuff that I deleted in a near instant.

Also, folks, lets stick to the topic at hand and if it goes afoul again, I can promise the next response from me will not be so relaxed.
LOL, thanks thnhill, it's damn near impossible to keep emotions in check w/certain topics.
 
Old 05-31-2009, 04:42 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Great news, another baby murderer is sent to hell where he belongs.2 big thumbs up!
Bad News! Another wacko condones MURDER!
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