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You almost wonder if these types of people are always creeps or just did the fame and fortune and power so to speak goes to these peoples head and corrupt them.
I assume most likely they were always potentially creeps and the money and power just allowed them to do it more easily.
I read recently that psychopaths are born that way and sociopaths have something in them that goes that way, but trauma tends to bring it out of some people.
Sex trafficking is the illegal transportation of people from one country to another for the purpose of exploitation.
For example, the owners of an Asian massage parlor could get that charge, not the clients who went there to get their happy ending. A pimp could get that charge, not the clients who saw his women.
Furthermore, a recent high end brothel has been busted and none of the owners have been charged with sex trafficking at the moment. Only for operating a high end brothel. https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...a-politicians/
The point is no one gets charged willy nilly for sex trafficking just for seeing a prostitute.
You are incorrect you haven’t looked at the two new federal laws surrounding prostitution. I’ll give you an example. If you’re a John and you have a favorite prostitute that you think your buddy John B might enjoy, and he staying at a hotel down the street and you take your favorite prostitute in your car to John B’s hotel to drop her off, you’ve just committed trafficking. If you recommend your favorite prostitute to John B over, text message or another electronic device you are guilty of pimping and promoting. The laws have changed.
I agree with you, when I used to hear about somebody busted for trafficking, I would think of them smuggling young women across the border or something like this to engage in prostitution. That’s how it used to be applied. Not anymore. If you engage in any form of prostitution, these days, you can be charged with a plethora of federal primes. Most people just think they’re handing someone a few hundred dollars to get their rocks off. The laws have changed! Texas has passed recent prostitution laws that any form of prostitution is automatically a felony. And most engaging who are found guilty comes with a minimum and a mandatory two year prison sentence.
I don’t know where I fall on this topic. I think most women who end up in prostitution, even if they’re doing so of their own free, will are either drug addicts, or molested his children, have mental illness, were abused as children, or all of the above. There might be a handful of women out there, who just truly enjoy the profession and had a normal childhood and exclude everything else on the list and just decide that’s what they want to do. But they are far in between. Most are severely damaged human beings.
You are incorrect you haven’t looked at the two new federal laws surrounding prostitution. I’ll give you an example. If you’re a John and you have a favorite prostitute that you think your buddy John B might enjoy, and he staying at a hotel down the street and you take your favorite prostitute in your car to John B’s hotel to drop her off, you’ve just committed trafficking. If you recommend your favorite prostitute to John B over, text message or another electronic device you are guilty of pimping and promoting.
Wrong. You are mixing up the entire discussion with baseless projected scenarios.
No one said anything about taking a sex worker in your car to any hotel for anyone to enjoy. No one said anything about "recommending your favorite sex worker to someone else." Those are imaginary scenarios from thin air you have created. That is what a pimp does, not Robert Kraft (who was charged for solicitation).
The argument was "seeing a sex worker means you get charged with trafficking." That's not true. Solicitation is not trafficking. Those are two different charges. NYC is an open brothel full of illegal sex workers on the street from Venezuela. None of the New Yorkers seeing them were responsible for them getting there.
The biggest high end sex worker network was busted several months ago, no one got charged with trafficking. Why? Because no one met the criteria for it.
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FAIRFAX COUNTY, Va. - A high-end brothel network that reportedly flew sex workers in from across the country and put them up in luxury apartments in Virginia, and even required buyers to provide their employer information and references, was busted by the Department of Justice.
Robert Kraft got busted for solicitation with many other people, including the Asian massage parlor. Guess how many were charged with trafficking? Zero. Why? Because it's a specific charge thats require a specific criterion to meet.
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Woman takes plea in Orchids of Asia prostitution case linked to Robert Kraft
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Authorities say human-trafficking cases take time to build because they need the cooperation of the women who have been trafficked.
These are just two real world examples. Again, you do not get charged for trafficking for seeing a sex worker, that charge is called solicitation. Trafficking is a different set of criteria.
Wrong. You are mixing up the entire discussion with baseless projected scenarios.
No one said anything about taking a sex worker in your car to any hotel for anyone to enjoy. No one said anything about "recommending your favorite sex worker to someone else." Those are imaginary scenarios from thin air you have created. That is what a pimp does, not Robert Kraft (who was charged for solicitation).
The argument was "seeing a sex worker means you get charged with trafficking." That's not true. Solicitation is not trafficking. Those are two different charges. NYC is an open brothel full of illegal sex workers on the street from Venezuela. None of the New Yorkers seeing them were responsible for them getting there.
The biggest high end sex worker network was busted several months ago, no one got charged with trafficking. Why? Because no one met the criteria for it.
Robert Kraft got busted for solicitation with many other people, including the Asian massage parlor. Guess how many were charged with trafficking? Zero. Why? Because it's a specific charge thats require a specific criterion to meet.
These are just two real world examples. Again, you do not get charged for trafficking for seeing a sex worker, that charge is called solicitation. Trafficking is a different set of criteria.
That was pre FOSTA SESTA. The law was purposely written with a gray tone to allow states to interpret how to charge these two laws, which is very vague. Walking into a massage parlor and getting happy ending and walking out with no other type of interaction might not be a good example that you presented. Get online or get on your phone and tell other people or even just your buddy how great of a happy ending it is and you highly recommend it? You could be charged with a lot more than just simple solicitation.
No it was not. The high end sex bust ring was caught in November. Read the report, the managers were not charged with trafficking and the clients were not charged with trafficking either. Why? Because there’s a specific criteria for it.
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The law was purposely written with a gray tone to allow states to interpret how to charge these two laws, which is very vague.
There is no vague law about solicitation. Its cut and dry. Did you pay for sex or not? Robert Kraft did, and he wasn’t charged with trafficking.
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Walking into a massage parlor and getting happy ending and walking out with no other type of interaction might not be a good example that you presented.
Its the perfect example. You claimed Robert Kraft would be given a “text message of recommendation to see a sex worker at the local Asian brothel.”
Yet no one in that case was charged with trafficking, not even the owners.
I gave you another example of the high end brothel bust, again, no one charged with human trafficking in that case either.
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Get online or get on your phone and tell other people or even just your buddy how great of a happy ending it is and you highly recommend it? You could be charged with a lot more than just simple solicitation.
Again, an imaginary scenario from thin air that makes zero sense. Post one real world example of your imaginary scenario coming to fruition. Just one. I gave you two real cases where no one was charged with trafficking.
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Authorities say human-trafficking cases take time to build because they need the cooperation of the women who have been trafficked.
That should give you an idea of the difference in solicitation and trafficking. You continue to lump them in the same category.
Robert Kraft would be in prison right now based on your imaginary scenario. NYC would’ve arrested every sex worker on the street by now based on your imaginary scenario.
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