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Old 06-06-2022, 11:21 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Once all parties have come to see it as a war of attrition, Verdun-like scenarios are sure to follow.
I know what you are saying, but drone technology, precision artillery capabilities, and so forth will prevent a long stand-off like Verdun. More of a stand-back than a stand-off.

But Russia, may, indeed, continue to throw itself against the wall long after all hope of gain is gone. In fact, I can see them doing that until Russian citizens and the Chechens rebel. I say Chechnya would be first to rebel because they have always fought against Russian occupation of their land - until recently. And the Russian citizens?.... Who would ever inform them of the truth?
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Old 06-06-2022, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Todays Update

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...essment-june-5

Ukrainian counterattacks in Severodonetsk recaptured large parts of the city and forced Russian troops out of the southern suburbs of the city.

Yeah, right... Kadyrov's guys drove through the whole city making a video with no Ukrainians around... Wishful thinking on Ukrainian part (confirmed today by Ukrainian sources) and their misinformation of western bosses.
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Old 06-06-2022, 11:34 AM
 
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Woopty doo, oil is up about 30% since Russia invaded Ukraine. Would have been better off if everyone just stayed out of it and all NATO countries boosted their defenses.
Pretty hard for Ukraine to stay out of it. After that it's a slippery slope. Why should countries like Poland put up with a Russia closer to its borders if not outright on them - certainly after Russia pulls a nasty action like this invasion? The proven aggressor in the neighborhood is Russia.
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Old 06-06-2022, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Pretty hard for Ukraine to stay out of it. After that it's a slippery slope. Why should countries like Poland put up with a Russia closer to its borders if not outright on them - certainly after Russia pulls a nasty action like this invasion? The proven aggressor in the neighborhood is Russia.
Everyone knows Putin's second offer is worse than his first, and his third offer is worse than his second...
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Old 06-06-2022, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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Yeah, right... Kadyrov's guys drove through the whole city making a video with no Ukrainians around... Wishful thinking on Ukrainian part (confirmed today by Ukrainian sources) and their misinformation of western bosses.

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On Thursday, Russia had taken 80% of Severodonetsk. Russian sources were bragging the city had fallen. Then on Friday, Ukraine began a counterattack that quickly retook 20% of the city. By Saturday, Ukraine controlled 50% of Severodonetsk. And at the end of the day on Sunday, that appears to be 70%. From the town of (Ukrainian-held) Lysychansk, just across the river, it’s possible to look down into the streets of Severeodonetsk. That means Ukrainian soldiers are able to guide artillery to very precise locations. (And) the People's Militia of the LPR and DPR (troops from Russian-occupied Donetsk and Luhansk) suffer from "poor training, poor equipment, shoddy supply and quality of Russian "advisors"


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Old 06-06-2022, 11:43 AM
 
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Read this morning that Putin has directed that Severodonetsk be captured by June 10.

Given what I've read of how the Russian army operates, it would make sense that officers would be at the front with such an endeavor.

Also been reading that Severodonetsk could be well be a trap to ambush Russian soldiers.

Sure, as much as "evacuation of Ukrainian troops from Azovstal."


I've been reading about that one too.
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Old 06-06-2022, 12:48 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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An interesting new article on the way Soros has been manipulating the Ukrainian population via 'education centers' into hating Russians:

https://abrahamstein.substack.com/p/...ntrols-ukraine
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Old 06-06-2022, 01:06 PM
 
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Pretty hard for Ukraine to stay out of it. After that it's a slippery slope. Why should countries like Poland put up with a Russia closer to its borders if not outright on them - certainly after Russia pulls a nasty action like this invasion? The proven aggressor in the neighborhood is Russia.
I was referring to the US staying out of it, not Ukraine.

Poland can choose to put up with it or not. I doubt they are going to attack Russia over being closer to their border.

Yes, Russia is a proven aggressor (though not as much of an aggressor as the US). The US still should have stayed out of it.
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Old 06-06-2022, 01:15 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I was referring to the US staying out of it, not Ukraine.

Poland can choose to put up with it or not. I doubt they are going to attack Russia over being closer to their border.

Yes, Russia is a proven aggressor (though not as much of an aggressor as the US). The US still should have stayed out of it.
I don't believe that at all, Russia is the opposite of an aggressor. The thing is, the war started on February 16, not 24, and it was started by Ukraine dramatically increasing its attacks on the Donbass from just a few dozens to 1500 per day, confirmed by the OSCE. That is ultimately what made Russia decide to invade, preventing a full attack on the Donbass and later on Crimea, some say a genocide.

Of course there were other, minor reasons that played a role, but they alone would not have made Russia invade. Russia could have coped with Nato in Ukraine, for instance. That alone was not enough of a reason in my view. After all, Nato can't attack Russia, so all they can do is sit there, like they have been doing in Poland for years.
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Old 06-06-2022, 01:26 PM
 
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The destruction of Mariupol also destroyed Ukraine's Neon production plants. This is an important material used to make microchips. Expect the price of electronic to rise. This war isn't just between Ukraine and Russia. Wherever you are on planet earth, your wallet is hurt because of Putin's war.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...c54_story.html

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What we do know is that, until the war in Ukraine broke out in 2014, as much as 90% of global neon supply was sourced from Ukraine. The bulk of this came from Mariupol, and most of it went to Western markets.
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