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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.72%
No 256 50.59%
Unsure 49 9.68%
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Old 09-18-2022, 06:54 PM
 
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So far, China being on board with Russia has been about as effective as me being on board with Ukraine.
Neither of us have really helped our side; we just cheered for our team.
China and Russia share a huge border. It's very easy to move products/weapons between those countries. If China is helping Russia (and I am betting they are), they won't admit to it.
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Old 09-18-2022, 08:06 PM
 
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Putin asked for sanctions to be lifted in exchange for sending gas to Europe. Earlier he said sanctions make Russia stronger. If that's the case, why ask for them to lifted? LOL. But no doubt some clueless people will say sanctions are not working.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4jkx3uJkrg
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Old 09-18-2022, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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Well the US can escalate the war by simply supplying the Ukraine with long range missiles and let them start shelling Russia with them. This war should not be fought entirely on Ukraine territory. There needs to be consequences for Russia. The Russians need to start seeing some of their stuff start getting blown up. Stating with that 3 billion dollar Russian build bridge between Russia and Crimea, and I don't mean just putting it out of commission. Every piece of it needs to be blasted into the sea to send a message to Russia that there isn't going to be any bridge between Russia and Crimea.
No blowing up the bridge is not the right thing to do at all.. that would be an awful thing to do to the people who live in Crimea.
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Old 09-18-2022, 08:32 PM
 
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Interesting study from Rand Corp, 2019

Overextending and Unbalancing Russia
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html
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Old 09-18-2022, 09:16 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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China and Russia share a huge border. It's very easy to move products/weapons between those countries. If China is helping Russia (and I am betting they are), they won't admit to it.
And YOU THINK military equipment much larger than a hand grenade is being moved across that border and the geosynchronous satellites permanently placed above China and continuously monitored by the CIA in Alice Springs, Australia, have just not noticed it?
Really?

If anyone is "helping" Russia they are not doing a very good job.
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Old 09-18-2022, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Todays Update

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...t-september-18

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Russian President Vladimir Putin is increasingly relying on irregular volunteer and proxy forces rather than conventional units and formations of the Russian Federation Armed Forces.

The formation of such ad-hoc units will lead to further tensions, inequality, and an overall lack of cohesiveness between forces.

The formation of irregular, hastily-trained units adds little effective combat power to Russian forces fighting in Ukraine.

Russian forces are likely attempting to conduct a more deliberate and controlled withdrawal in western Kherson Oblast to avoid the chaotic flight that characterized the collapse of Russian defensive positions in Kharkiv Oblast earlier this month.

A prominent Russian milblogger also claimed that the Russian command issued a “no retreat†order last week for all units serving in Donbas, requiring that Russian forces operating on the axis hold their positions regardless of the unfolding situation in front of them.
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Russian President Vladimir Putin appears to be increasingly relying on irregular, poorly trained ad-hoc volunteer and proxy units rather than attempting to rebuild damaged or destroyed conventional Russian ground forces units.

Ukrainian forces continue to consolidate positions on the east bank of the Oskil River in Kharkiv Oblast despite Russian efforts to contain them.

Russian forces in western Kherson Oblast may be attempting to fall back to more defensible positions in a controlled withdrawal to avoid the chaotic retreat that characterized the collapse of Russian defenses in Kharkiv earlier in September.

Russian forces suffered devastating losses of manpower and equipment in their fight for eastern Ukraine and especially during the Ukrainian Kharkiv counter-offensive. Multiple Russian armored and mechanized units have likely been effectively destroyed according to assessments released on September 18.
Activity in Russian-occupied Areas

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Russian occupation authorities are continuing to forcibly mobilize civilians in occupied Ukraine. Ukrainian Mariupol Mayor Petro Andryushchenko reported on September 17 that occupation authorities detained men in occupied Manhush near Mariupol to forcibly mobilize them, and that occupation authorities in the area will conduct another phase of detention for mobilization in early October.[71] Ukrainian Luhansk Oblast Head Serhiy Haidai reported that Russian forces are continuing to track and mobilize men in occupied Luhansk Oblast and prevent them from leaving Luhansk Oblast for Russia, likely to further bolster mobilization efforts.[72]

Occupation authorities are struggling to compensate collaborators with promised payments. Ukraine’s Resistance Center reported that Russian occupation authorities are continuing to bribe locals, but that parents in occupied Melitopol who sent their children to Russian schools did not receive their promised 10,000-ruble (roughly 165 USD) payment.[73] Ukraine’s Resistance Center noted that occupation officials demand significant personal documentation to receive the payments, which the Center stated occupation authorities need to accelerate passportization efforts
RUSSIA IS LOSING THIS WAR
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Old 09-18-2022, 10:12 PM
 
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China and Russia share a huge border. It's very easy to move products/weapons between those countries. If China is helping Russia (and I am betting they are), they won't admit to it.
Russia has large, resource-rich and sparsely inhabited areas right next to the Chinese border. A weak Russia is very much in China's interest, while on the other hand, they don't much care about Ukraine -why should they?

Were I a betting man, I'd say Russia is well on its way to becoming a client state of China's.
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Old 09-18-2022, 10:13 PM
 
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No blowing up the bridge is not the right thing to do at all.. that would be an awful thing to do to the people who live in Crimea.
Russia decided to go to war. Awful things were guaranteed to happen. So it goes.
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Old 09-18-2022, 10:16 PM
 
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Putin asked for sanctions to be lifted in exchange for sending gas to Europe. Earlier he said sanctions make Russia stronger. If that's the case, why ask for them to lifted? LOL. But no doubt some clueless people will say sanctions are not working.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4jkx3uJkrg
Putler overplayed his hand. Europe is busy weaning themselves of Russian gas. He spent his military and lost his biggest export market for petroleum products.
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Old 09-18-2022, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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There are some very good reasons the bridge is still standing. Turns out it may be useful at some point in the future. Maybe.
Ukraine only gets to blow it up once.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE5afkEqG08&t=2s
2:08 is exactly what I said. Biden has declined to give Ukraine missiles with long enough range to attack that bridge. The Ukrainians can't destroy that bridge if they wanted to. 1. They don't have a navy to attack the bridge. 2. Using their limited aircraft to attack the bridge would be almost certain suicide for the pilots. 3. The missiles we have given them don't have the range to hit the bridge, and we don't want to give them longer range weapons because OMG they might use them to actually hit Russia. And we don't want that because the Russians might get angry at us.

As I said, I hope we are just holding back better weapons for the right time. But I'm not convinced that this country has the guts or the willingness to give the Ukrainians the quality weapons they need to win this war. That means they may lose, which is just sad.
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