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Old 09-14-2022, 02:04 PM
 
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Info source, please? I haven't heard/read about this. This would explain the sudden change in the tone of discussion of a group of "experts" and commentators on Russian TV. In one talk-show type of venue, some were actually calling it a war (vs "special operation").

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=7ea8e38c27a3



https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...-b1025200.html



There's also videos floating around of the aftermath of whatever made scrap of Putin's toys. Quite a lot of wreckage and causalities. Maybe this is a sign that tanks are going to play a much less significant role in modern and future warfare. They make easy and predicable targets.
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Old 09-14-2022, 02:08 PM
 
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Info source, please? I haven't heard/read about this. This would explain the sudden change in the tone of discussion of a group of "experts" and commentators on Russian TV. In one talk-show type of venue, some were actually calling it a war (vs "special operation").
The British MoD commented on it in a briefing, although less dramatically - used the words "severely degraded".
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Old 09-14-2022, 02:09 PM
 
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A while back someone stated that as bad as Putin may be, there may be worse psycho's in the wing to take over if Mr barechested gets outed.

Is there any truth in that?

I don't know if it was just western propaganda, but all this news about some important political groups in Russia wanting Putin to resign gives me a bit of hope that they will end this nonsense.
There are people in high places still saying "we need to push through and get the job done" in Ukraine. These people are more important than any "important political groups". I assume you're mainly referring to the constituencies of opposition political candidates.

All the discussion about a sudden change in leadership at the top, or of the people rising up, or of a civil war, makes for dramatic conversation, but I think it's generated mostly by wishful thinking. (Remember the rumors circulating about the P-man having terminal thyroid cancer?) At this point, I'm still in a wait-and-see mode. For all we know, Russia could pull itself together and launch a new and more effective offensive. We can quibble about whether that's realistic to expect or not, but realistically, we have very little idea what Russia's capable of when it puts its mind to it.

Ultimately, it won't be over until its over.
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Old 09-14-2022, 02:10 PM
 
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Maybe this is a sign that tanks are going to play a much less significant role in modern and future warfare. They make easy and predicable targets.
The Ukrainians use tanks to pretty good effect. It's as much a matter of doctrine and training and unit cohesion. If the videos are anything to go by, the infantry support for Russian tank units isn't what you'd call enthusiastic.
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Old 09-14-2022, 02:11 PM
 
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The reason Russia gave up Kharkiv Olbast was clearly voluntarily and explained by the pressure on Russian oligarchs by the West, to which they keep their ties, their secret agreements and where their sources of funds and undisclosed real estate are. Basically, this is a retreat because of undisclosed agreement behind the curtains.
Clearly. And the evidence for this is...?
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Old 09-14-2022, 02:13 PM
 
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The Ukrainians use tanks to pretty good effect. It's as much a matter of doctrine and training and unit cohesion. If the videos are anything to go by, the infantry support for Russian tank units isn't what you'd call enthusiastic.
Yep and it's a lot easier to get into position with anti-tank weapons, plant mines etc. when the enemy doesn't have good aerial surveilance, night\thermal imaging etc. etc. etc.
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Old 09-14-2022, 02:15 PM
 
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=7ea8e38c27a3

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...-b1025200.html

There's also videos floating around of the aftermath of whatever made scrap of Putin's toys. Quite a lot of wreckage and causalities. Maybe this is a sign that tanks are going to play a much less significant role in modern and future warfare. They make easy and predicable targets.
I see. OK, thanks. Well, Russia could change its strategy, in view of this. It could start bombing the heck out of Ukraine again flattening entire cities. It can't do that in the areas where there are Russian majorities, or sizeable minorities, though.

This wouldn't be a development to celebrate, if it causes Russia to play hardball.
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Old 09-14-2022, 02:15 PM
 
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The reason Russia gave up Kharkiv Olbast was clearly voluntarily and explained by the pressure on Russian oligarchs by the West, to which they keep their ties, their secret agreements and where their sources of funds and undisclosed real estate are. Basically, this is a retreat because of undisclosed agreement behind the curtains.
Lol, a secret, unproveable agreement by a murky cabal is what it takes for you to mentally reconcile yourself to what happened without having to face reality.
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Old 09-14-2022, 02:20 PM
 
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The reason Russia gave up Kharkiv Olbast was clearly voluntarily and explained by the pressure on Russian oligarchs by the West, to which they keep their ties, their secret agreements and where their sources of funds and undisclosed real estate are. Basically, this is a retreat because of undisclosed agreement behind the curtains.
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Clearly. And the evidence for this is...?
That's a very interesting statement. In the early part of the war, the US and other Western countries started freezing assets not only of the Russian government and its President, which were discovered to be considerable beyond all expectation. They started freezing the assets of the President's cronies, as well. It was found that some of the cronies were holding assets for their President, but in their names, not his. So it's possible, that certain threats were made about confiscating real estate in the West known to belong to those cronies.
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Old 09-14-2022, 02:20 PM
 
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I see. OK, thanks. Well, Russia could change its strategy, in view of this. It could start bombing the heck out of Ukraine again flattening entire cities. It can't do that in the areas where there are Russian majorities, or sizeable minorities, though.

This wouldn't be a development to celebrate, if it causes Russia to play hardball.

Last I heard, they have resumed shelling and missile strikes in some areas as well as air strikes in the Kharkiv region. Every day this continues, more and more civilians will be among the dead. It is heart breaking and gut wrenching but that is the kind of war Putin is waging.
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