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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.88%
No 254 50.40%
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Old 12-30-2023, 07:16 PM
 
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there was never no more of a nazi problem in Ukraine than there was in Russia, probably much less than them, but that was the false narrative that the stupid Russian government put out..so I say let's denazify the Russians..

And you know it... exactly how?
You know Russian/Ukrainian, you could listen to their TV, radio, watch gazillion of videos coming from their side - how exactly?

Or do you go by what ABC MSNBC are now telling you?

You should do a search of their EARLIER reports, BEFORE they changed their propaganda tunes, then you'll get a better idea.



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Old 12-30-2023, 07:17 PM
 
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Could this have been a false-flag operation?

If not, it's a catastrophic blunder by Ukraine. It plays right into Putin's hands. It will shore-up his flagging efforts at military recruitment. It makes Biden et al. look like warmongers. And it makes the EU look especially foolish.

One supposes that there were few unreflecting super-patriots in Russia. Most people just went along to get along. Incidents like this, are likely to change that. Persons in the middle, who detest Putin and were shocked by the "SMO" as something needless and daft, will now grudgingly throw in their lot with Putin.

False-flag operation?
As in Russians did it?
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Old 12-30-2023, 07:57 PM
 
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False-flag operation?
As in Russians did it?
Looks like it. Some of the photos and video in Belgorod staged. A burned out car, with everything around it untouched.
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Old 12-30-2023, 08:12 PM
 
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False-flag operation?
As in Russians did it?
It's a possibility. Recall the antics of the KGB in the late 1990s, blowing up those apartment buildings in Moscow and elsewhere, blaming it on the Chechens.
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Old 12-30-2023, 08:24 PM
 
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Looks like it. Some of the photos and video in Belgorod staged. A burned out car, with everything around it untouched.
Ukrainian weapons are incredibly accurate and are used exclusively to aim at military targets and not civilian ones. Obviously, the burned out car contained a Russian general or another high ranking officer. Or weapons or munitions.

Everything around that car was untouched? Of course, the Ukes didn't want to hurt any innocent civilians.

Staged? Only conspiracy nuts would believe that. *

* The statements in the above paragraphs are not guaranteed to be true.
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Old 12-30-2023, 08:35 PM
 
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Obviously, the burned out car contained a Russian general or another high ranking officer. Or weapons or munitions.
If that car had weapons and munitions, everything around it would have likely also been scorched. Try again.
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Old 12-30-2023, 08:43 PM
 
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they couldn't be any more strategic than they have been..over 100 killed on the ship strike the other night..they've bombed the kerch bridge..taken out numerous command centers and logistics..they are tired of russia's chit..eye for an eye from now on..and they don't want putin to have anything to crow about when he holds his free and fair election..I hope they hit moscow next..then st pete..screw 'em..
Blowing through artillery faster then it can be replaced is not being strategic. Continuing to send men to defend city (Bakmut) when it was clear it was a lost cause for a moral victory wasn't strategic. Don't get me started on how bad the the recent offensive went. Hitting Moscow want accomplish anything more than furthering Russia's recruitment goals.
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Old 12-30-2023, 09:03 PM
 
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It's a possibility. Recall the antics of the KGB in the late 1990s, blowing up those apartment buildings in Moscow and elsewhere, blaming it on the Chechens.
I have no idea about those apartments and who did it ( it's not like Chechens didn't commit enough of crimes without those apartments.)
But... speaking about this attack on Belgorod, do you seriously think that this is something staged?

https://t.me/ASupersharij/26191

I have no idea what videos/pictures you are seeing, but everything I saw so far - it's all very real and it looks pretty bad.

Now as far as this particular attack (if staged) "plays in Putin's hands" or whatever you imagine here - let me tell you something that you might not be aware of.

Belgorood ( and other Russian regions) are hit from the specific location in Kharkov region that Russian troops left before, for no particularly good reason.

When they were THERE, it was assuring safe radius for the Russian territories, and Russian retreat made Belgorod vulnerable.

Which was addressed by Prigozhin and Wagner (and not only) on numerous occasions.

Putin's MO never did anything to make those areas safe.

Now figure it out, how much this latest disaster "plays in his hands."


And that's why I tend to believe what Nebenzya (Russian rep.) said in UN;

"Russia said Ukraine attacked the city of Belgorod with missiles and rockets, killing at least 21 people and wounding dozens more, including 17 children, according to local authorities.
It was "a terrorist attack by the Kyiv regime against a civilian city," Russia's ambassador to the UN Vasily Nebenzya said.
"In order to increase the number of casualties of the terrorist attack they used cluster munitions," he continued, claiming that Kyiv targeted a sports center, an ice rink and a university.
"(It was a) deliberate, indiscriminate attack against a civilian target."


https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...orod-civilians


So yes, Ukraine indiscriminately targets and kills civilians.
But you already knew that after Donetsk.
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Old 12-30-2023, 09:27 PM
 
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If that car had weapons and munitions, everything around it would have likely also been scorched. Try again.
You underestimate the capabilities of Ukrainian weapons. To minimize civilian casualties, their impressive weapons are able to eliminate munitions and other explosives in a non-explosive way, deactivating them instead of exploding them. That way, nearby civilians are not harmed. Smart. Very smart.
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Old 12-30-2023, 09:30 PM
 
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I heard Russia is crying about an attack on one of their cities. You can’t start a fight and expect the other side not to hit back.
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