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We're waiting for the poster who posted that recent news to provide his source. But as far as my reference goes to the earlier incidents, near the beginning of the war, who else would be looting Ukrainian stores in Ukrainian towns or villages? Ukrainian soldiers would be highly unlikely to do that to their own at the outset of the war.
But I agree, we need to see what the source of the latest piece of news is, on looting.
I think there needs to be an investigation of everything, by an impartial international body: claims of human rights abuses by Russians against Ukrainians, by Ukrainians against Russians (including incidents Russia has been claiming prior to and during 2014, because those went undocumented by anyone in the West, as far as I know), murders of innocent villagers, everything.
Part of the problem in these discussions is, that Westerners haven't seen the photos and film footage from 2014 and earlier, that Russians mention here: gruesome images of murdered Russians in the Donbas, and so on. The international community, as far as I know, didn't know anything about that, because Russian never took the matter to human rights organizations in the West, the UN and so on, so no one knows what went on, nor what to believe. I think the entire history of the conflict in the Donbas needs to be investigated.
OK, so there is no mentioning anywhere that Russian army is doing this ( looting houses in Belgorod region)?
Then I am not missing anything, because from my understanding there is no Russian army there, and Wagner is saying that they will step in and will take control of the situation, where MoD is failing.
Ruth, where is the mentioning of the Russian army in that article ( as looters)?
Can you quote it to me please, because apparently I keep on missing something.
I see, now. Sorry, I hadn't read the Daily Mail article. The victims of the looting (Russians) said it was Russians who did it. That's the only info we have so far.
Here's an excerpt from the article:
Quote:
Homes and local shops appeared to be targeted by Russian looters amid the chaos as tens of thousands of Russians evacuating border areas in the Belgorod region as pro-Ukraine forces hit back at Russia.
It doesn't say if the looters were soldiers or other citizens (?) of some sort. (Criminal elements, or just people takig advantage of the chaos.) The Daily Mail is reporting on a video of the scene, which was the result of a Ukrainian attack. But it also says, that Ukraine has neither confirmed or denied that it was responsible.
Vyacheslav Gladkov, governor of Russia's Belgorod Oblast, did not show to pick up the Russian prisoners captured by The Russian Volunteer Corps.
Prigozhin apparently agreed to meet RSV terms, but somehow that hasn't happened, and the current plan is to hand them over to Ukraine’s Prisoner of War exchange.
For those of you who have trouble doing an successful internet search:
I see, now. Sorry, I hadn't read the Daily Mail article. The victims of the looting (Russians) said it was Russians who did it. That's the only info we have so far.
Here's an excerpt from the article:
It doesn't say if the looters were soldiers or other citizens (?) of some sort. (Criminal elements, or just people takig advantage of the chaos.) The Daily Mail is reporting on a video of the scene, which was the result of a Ukrainian attack. But it also says, that Ukraine has neither confirmed or denied that it was responsible.
Exactly. Russians, not "the Russian army."
I just don't want any more disinformation here - Ukrainians are spreading enough of it as it is.
So yes, the looters were most likely local Russians ( if not Ukrainian militants if they were in the region, who knows.)
But even if it were locals - the rest of Belgorod ( or rather Belgorodians) are bringing what they can to the refugee center, to support civilians that escaped the Ukrainian onslaught in the border towns.
Vyacheslav Gladkov, governor of Russia's Belgorod Oblast, did not show to pick up the Russian prisoners captured by The Russian Volunteer Corps.
Prigozhin apparently agreed to meet RSV terms, but somehow that hasn't happened, and the current plan is to hand them over to Ukraine’s Prisoner of War exchange.
For those of you who have trouble doing an successful internet search:
There are no "Russian Volunteer Corps" - it's yet another Ukrainian fake, their yet another psyop.
However with that being said, I saw the video with couple of Russian soldiers that Ukrainian militants seized ( one of them is severely wounded from what I saw,) and demanded a meeting with the governor of the Belgorod region, Gladkov.
I think he was hesitant to accept it, but at the end I suspect the order came from MoD to decline the offer, even though there are more than two soldiers were captured.
But it's all on MoD and their failures now.
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