76 years ago today, on August 5, 1945, the first atomic bomb used in war was dropped on Hiroshima, Japan (9/11, crimes)
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Let’s not forget the country spent a lot of its capital on those bombs they could have used to build more ships and planes. The decision was made. Not for us to judge.
ALL of it is fact. Go look at posters from the war. Read up the Japanese reactions to the bombings and then to when the USSR declared war. Read what the American generals of the time said.
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It is conjecture about an event that didn't happen.
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Get over it.
Get over what, exactly?
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A million people have arguments that we shouldn't have done it. A million have arguments that we should have.
Not a million and one? Not a million and a thousand?
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WE DID.
And in so doing, the U.S. military waged war on children and women. How brave.
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It ended the war immediately.
Wrong.
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That's reality.
No, that's your uninformed opinion. You have one, as do I. You have an anus as well, as do I. Doesn't mean your position is right.
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Thinking you know better is silly.
Your opinion - again.
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Parroting the opinion of an America-hating tool from the Harvard teachers' lounge as if its fact is also silly.
You're doing the same thing leftists do to conservatives - they claim conservatives like myself are racist even before they assess our arguments. You know nothing of that book, you know nothing other than the official line and you harp about opinions?
Your opinion stinks like an unwiped anus. If you don't know what that book or other historians or the generals who lived it said, then cease harping about "opinions."
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By the way: What a lazy argument that we did it because we were racist toward the Japanese. Snooze fest! That's the root of all evil in the eyes of weenies like this guy. Forget the fact that they ambushed us on our own territory, killed countless soldiers with barbaric kamikaze tactics, etc. Yeah, we hit them hard because we are "racist." Can't you guys at least come up with any new material? Yeesh.
No argument was made by me that the U.S. struck Japan with atomic bombs because of racism. If you're going to misinterpret what others write and then label it "lazy arguments," you're best off not typing. Thanks.
There's a great 4 part Revisionist History podcast by Malcom Gladwell on General Lemay, the "Bomber Mafia", the development of napalm, and the decision to use it against the Japanese. Some things I learned:
Napalm was developed by scientists at Harvard but, unlike the Manhattan Project the history is largely forgotten.
General Lemay was an advocate of precision bombing. The original goal of the new B-29's was to take out Japan's war industry. The jet stream of all things made that nearly impossible. Lemay quickly pivoted to the next best strategy - firebombing.
Huge replicas of Japanese towns were built in the Utah desert by an architect that had lived in Japan pre-war. They were used to determine the efficacy of napalm on Japanese cities.
After the war, in the 60's. Lemay was given an award by the Japanese. In addition to rebuilding Japan's Air Force after the war, there was an acknowledgement that Lemay's all or nothing approach hastened the end of the war and likely prevented mass starvation in the winter of 1945 and the very likely scenario that the Soviets would invade and carve up Japan like what happened in Korea.
Napalm was far superior to the incendiary devices favored by the Brits and used in Dresden.
Finally, the podcast concluded with the Korean War. I didn't know that we bombed the crap out of them with napalm. One officer recalled that the Air Force (Air Corp?) didn't have anything left to target as most cities and infrastructure were toast.
Great podcast.
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Enough with these incendiary posts.
Clever!
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ALL of it is fact. Go look at posters from the war. Read up the Japanese reactions to the bombings and then to when the USSR declared war. Read what the American generals of the time said.
Get over what, exactly?
Not a million and one? Not a million and a thousand?
And in so doing, the U.S. military waged war on children and women. How brave.
Wrong.
No, that's your uninformed opinion. You have one, as do I. You have an anus as well, as do I. Doesn't mean your position is right.
Your opinion - again.
You're doing the same thing leftists do to conservatives - they claim conservatives like myself are racist even before they assess our arguments. You know nothing of that book, you know nothing other than the official line and you harp about opinions?
Your opinion stinks like an unwiped anus. If you don't know what that book or other historians or the generals who lived it said, then cease harping about "opinions."
No argument was made by me that the U.S. struck Japan with atomic bombs because of racism. If you're going to misinterpret what others write and then label it "lazy arguments," you're best off not typing. Thanks.
So you're really claiming that you KNOW that Japan would have surrendered without nuking them? You're claiming to know an eventuality that occurred in history?
No argument was made by me that the U.S. struck Japan with atomic bombs because of racism. If you're going to misinterpret what others write and then label it "lazy arguments," you're best off not typing. Thanks.
So you're really claiming that you KNOW that Japan would have surrendered without nuking them? You're claiming to know an eventuality that occurred in history?
This is really what you're saying?
Who cares what I'm saying?
What people from that time however, who did research, who were in battle, who were in uniform, and who were in leadership said what I said. You think I thought that up from thin air? Unlike the Federal Reserve, I don't create things by merely pushing buttons!
Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated. United States Strategic Bombing Surveys
I wrote in 2020 and I quoted myself: "It is within this cultural, mental, and ideological context that the decision to use the atomic bomb on Japan was made. It has been debated whether President Truman would have authorized the nuking of Dresden, Berlin, or any other major German city. But the lens via which America viewed Japan in the 1940s was wholly different from the vantage point through which it viewed Germany."
Racism was part of the overall cultural mindset of 1945. But nuking Japan wasn't done PRECISELY because Truman or the U.S. military were racist. They may have been, but they made that decision IN SPITE of any racism they may personally harbored.
You've not seen propaganda posters of that time, have you? You haven't read about how the Japanese were described, have you?
Ever hear of the term "jape?" Go look it up.
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