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And what's your evidence that "many of which aren't reliable?" Which country's security agencies are you reading the audits on? What part of their intelligence-gathering have you read is not up to standards? Or did you just pull that "fact" out of your a-hole?
At the start and end of the day, Russia is the one that's drawing the wrath of the western powers against it. No one forced them to Annex Crimea and parts of Ukraine. They were sanctioned for it.
Yes they did. No Russian leader (Putin or otherwise) would allow NATO military presence right on their western borders. The illegal coup in Ukraine the US pulled off directly triggered this.
Europeans understand this, they understand it is a geopolitical situation and that is why they communicate with Putin and don't call Russia names and use visceral language.
Americans don't care about eastern European stability, all we want is more military control over the globe. Stop confuscating European and American interests.
every country that gets our aid and has defense contracts influence our elections. Too much money involved in our politics. Hillary Clinton had over 1 billion dollars to get elected and that's not counting the millions her foundation got from foreign interests and most came when she was Secretary of State.....and you want to compare that with a few Facebook advertisements by Russians hacks?
yeah, that's a valid reason to be hostile and beat the drums of war with the 2nd nuclear power in the world.
“But muh Hillary”, again!?! And ”what-about” those other countries!?!
Nice straw man, whom exactly, are “beating the war drums”?
1. I'm assuming you're basing this off of the out-of-date and otherwise discredited "...how close they put their country to our military bases" map? The United States temporarily ran operations out of the Manas Transit Center in Kazakhstan for operations in Afghanistan. That ended in 2014 and the U.S. doesn't have any military presence in Kazakhstan. The United States operates from a Turkish-controlled air base in Southern Turkey against ISIS in Syria and, most importantly, Turkey does not border Russia.
2. Nothing wrong with Yanukovych being pro-Russian and it wouldn't be an excuse to formulate an illegal coup if an illegal coup occurred. Whatever crisis in Crimea, it was an entirely internal matter of no business to the United States or Russia.
3. Putin came to power because Boris Yeltsin selected him. Putin maintains power because he constantly inundates the Russian conscious through state-media that opposition parties, NGOs, and dissent are the work of western forces to destabilize Russia. An accusation never proven by a man in power for 18 years running.
1. My mistake on the MTC.
2. Doesn't change the fact US military bases have been encroaching on Russia (something we would find unacceptable if it were vice versa).
3. False
4. The Oligarchs (Yeltsin's people) thought Putin was another one of them, and they were right, just not in the way they imagined. Either way ever since losing our blank check (Yeltsin) we have pushed the Russian people further into Putin's arms by constantly destroying every attempt they make to have an independent foreign policy or even domestic policy.
You're really embarrassing yourself. That's an easily verifiable fact.
And I -- and the rest of the American people -- haven't seen any of that evidence you're talking about. Are you leaking something here?
You don’t speak for “the rest of the American people”, and it’s not my problem if you haven’t read or understood the significance of friday’a indictment.
Yes they did. No Russian leader (Putin or otherwise) would allow NATO military presence right on their western borders. The illegal coup in Ukraine the US pulled off directly triggered this.
Europeans understand this, they understand it is a geopolitical situation and that is why they communicate with Putin and don't call Russia names and use visceral language.
Americans don't care about eastern European stability, all we want is more military control over the globe. Stop confuscating European and American interests.
And those bases are there a the request of our NATO allies as protection against Russia. What Russia wants doesn't mean a goddamn thing because those countries are sovereign. If they want protection in the form of NATO bases, it's their right to have it.
duh!!! if you don't think there is a Russia hysteria and animosity towards Russia then you are clueless.
Duh what? You were deflecting. There’s good reason for animosity towards Russia, and the only hysteria I see is from all of the boot lickers attempting to cover for their dear leader.
Duh what? You were deflecting. There’s good reason for animosity towards Russia, and the only hysteria I see is from all of the boot lickers attempting to cover for their dear leader.
there is? your failures in life are because of Russia?
We know the Government performed a coup in Ukraine to keep NATO friendly powers in office, we know they armed terrorist in Syria.
What we do know is that the Russian government sent troops to Ukraine, but tried to cover it up. Putin only admitted it when it was out in the open.
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We know they are carpet bombing Yemen and destroying Somalia. We know we need a bad guy (Putin) to have so the MIC can garner more support for military action.
Who are "they"? Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States?
A better question would be, why support rebels in one country but the government in the other. Any way you look at it, whether in Syria or Yemen, both parties end up being wrong. In other words both NATO and Russia are in the wrong here.
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We know the media is state propaganda that calls out people who aren't being 'patriotic' enough (not worshiping the state).
Not any of the media I follow. I can tell you that much.
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We know Brennan has committed international crimes and has broken the Geneva convention, same with all his successors.
And yet it takes only a short period of time for the media to convince Americans Putin is the true enemy because of Facebook posts (and no evidence of government involvement).
There are two different things at play here.
1. Russian meddling in the election
2. Trump colluding with Russia
The two are not the same.
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Now rather than punishing Trump for illegally droning children in Niger, we are calling him to be charged for treason for acknowledging a widely accepted fact, that the US has been the major deterrent to improved Russia-US relationships.
You know, I actually agree with this surprisingly, but for different reasons entirely. While, I do maintain that Russia is guilty, I don't think the US needs to punish it or place sanctions on it.
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And yet everyone on this forum just eats it all up.
??? Almost no one here is in favor of war.
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