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I have every reason to believe the Russian govt is just as vile and nefarious as ours is. Big deal. Countries try to f*ck with each other all the time and the US is probably the worst offender by a country mile. The left is making themselves look very pathetic though by trying to blame their own failures and deeply flawed candidate on this almost two years later. This Russian collusion and hacking thing is a nothing burger in the grand scheme of things but it is being played up like there's hard evidence they rigged the Super Bowl when really all they had a few idiots with posters in the stands.
The left isn't saying it swung the election (maybe some on the fringe, but not most). That is a narrative repeated by members of the right more often, who are also the people who continue to talk about Clinton...
The left is saying stop denying Russias actions. When the president (even if he's the biggest moron in the country) sides with Russia over EVERY US intelligence agency... You can figure out the rest?
When the president (even if he's the biggest moron in the country) says "but but but! it happened under Obama's administration he should've dealt with it!" It was the end of his administration. Government doesn't move that fast. Regardless of who gets elected, at that point of something happening under the prior administration, it's up to the new administration to address it. What's he do instead? Throws it under the rug, says Putin says he didn't do it so that must be the truth. Just deal with it. Stop being a *****.
trump has made ZERO effort to straddle the middle of the aisle. Is it really any surprise he gets treated the way he does? It floors me conservatives will go to the lengths they do to protect him. He really doesn't represent anything I was raised to believe conservatives represent (I can say that about the GOP in general lately, but him in particular).
Seriously... You have the party that is supposed to be in full support of law enforcement constantly attacking our top law enforcement agencies for the simple reason that they don't like that it's members of the GOP being investigated. Never mind they have ZERO proof that the agencies are doing anything wrong.
We're in a shameful era of history for the American conservative movement. I hope they recover, but they keep digging that hole deeper and deeper.
To the far-right war-hawks, every terrorist attack is a god-send since it gives them an excuse to justify hating "all of those people" who are different and blowing them up... while reaping great profits from the military industrial complex, of course.
It's important to discuss facts in relation to war mongering....facts such as this:
"Democrats More Intense Than Republicans About the War
Two-thirds of Republicans (68%) say they have a favorable view of the Iraq war, while nearly 9 in 10 Democrats (88%) have an unfavorable view. But even this contrast understates the difference between the parties on the war. Not only do most Democrats have an unfavorable view of the Iraq war, but three-quarters (74%) have a very unfavorable view of it" https://news.gallup.com/poll/24760/r...rt-troops.aspx
So, while many people get duped by war mongering, there is absolutely no comparison in terms of what side of the aisle enjoys bombing foreign lands with more fervor.
This should be quite obvious (why do people always say the Military (officers, especially) vote Republican?)....but in a thread such as this it is important to point out the MAJOR difference between liberals and conservatives. That gulf is so wide (see that polling)...that it's not even up for debate.
So, are Trumpies now claiming they and their party have been wrong for a number of decades? Have they learned...and are they hypocritical enough to bring up false equivalency and whataboutism? Of course they are!
A more reasonable and logical mind would credit the left for at least attempting to keep the war drums lower....
Military industrial complex, delusions, jingoism, and bigotry.
The military industrial complex part is obvious. War is very profitable
As for the rest, blowing up people who are different just comes naturally to a nation where too many extremists want to "do something" about people of different skin colors, religions, sexual orientations, etc. To the far-right war-hawks, every terrorist attack is a god-send since it gives them an excuse to justify hating "all of those people" who are different and blowing them up... while reaping great profits from the military industrial complex, of course.
See polling in my post above to note how true your answer is.
It is the American right that has been beating constant war drums. Nixon (and even IKE) actually considered dropping nukes...Goldwater did, and GW definitely did (and maybe actually did in Syria)....
MAD and NATO, despite much of the BS expressed here, have kept the Cold War cold...and even ended it to some degree. At least before Trump - who now wants to expand our nuclear weapons program with Rick Perry at the helm.
Those of you so tired of being lied to...should look in the Mirror and at the imagine of GW Bush and the entire conservative (and neo-con right wing) movements.
So, while many people get duped by war mongering, there is absolutely no comparison in terms of what side of the aisle enjoys bombing foreign lands with more fervor.
This should be quite obvious (why do people always say the Military (officers, especially) vote Republican?)....but in a thread such as this it is important to point out the MAJOR difference between liberals and conservatives. That gulf is so wide (see that polling)...that it's not even up for debate.
That's a 12 year-old poll.
Try this one on for size; it's from 2011, but also from Obama's first term, and shows equal bloodlust among Dems and Pubs:
It's important to discuss facts in relation to war mongering....facts such as this:
"Democrats More Intense Than Republicans About the War
Two-thirds of Republicans (68%) say they have a favorable view of the Iraq war, while nearly 9 in 10 Democrats (88%) have an unfavorable view. But even this contrast understates the difference between the parties on the war. Not only do most Democrats have an unfavorable view of the Iraq war, but three-quarters (74%) have a very unfavorable view of it" https://news.gallup.com/poll/24760/r...rt-troops.aspx
So, while many people get duped by war mongering, there is absolutely no comparison in terms of what side of the aisle enjoys bombing foreign lands with more fervor.
This should be quite obvious (why do people always say the Military (officers, especially) vote Republican?)....but in a thread such as this it is important to point out the MAJOR difference between liberals and conservatives. That gulf is so wide (see that polling)...that it's not even up for debate.
So, are Trumpies now claiming they and their party have been wrong for a number of decades? Have they learned...and are they hypocritical enough to bring up false equivalency and whataboutism? Of course they are!
A more reasonable and logical mind would credit the left for at least attempting to keep the war drums lower....
From recent debates with friends we've been narrowing in on this.
It's not surprising, their behavior.
Bush knowingly lied to the country and sent thousands of men and women to die for nothing.
The right knew this, but it was their president.
They rebelled against it. Hence the intro of the RINO tag.
They couldn't put enough distance between them and Bush, resulting in trump.
Any decent member of the right knows trump is trash, but again, he's theirs.
It's a serious identity crisis. I hope they recover soon, they're a little busy eating each other though.
It is the American right that has been beating constant war drums. Nixon (and even IKE) actually considered dropping nukes...Goldwater did, and GW definitely did (and maybe actually did in Syria)...
To which party did Truman belong again? He slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians and to this day is the only leader of a nation to use nuclear weapons on people.
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Those of you so tired of being lied to...should look in the Mirror and at the imagine of GW Bush and the entire conservative (and neo-con right wing) movements.
Neocons aren't right-wing. They are Trotskyites whose entire ideology descends from anti-Stalin communists. Scoop Jackson, Democrat Senator from WA, along with other interventionist warhawk Democrats, rebelled against their party for its opposition to the Vietnam War.
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Neoconservatism (commonly shortened to neocon when labelling its adherents) is a political movement born in the United States during the 1960s among liberal hawks who became disenchanted with the increasingly pacifist foreign policy of the Democratic Party, and the growing New Left and counterculture, in particular the Vietnam protests.
ave a favorable view of the Iraq war, while nearly 9 in 10 Democrats (88%) have an unfavorable view. But even this contrast understates the difference between the parties on the war. Not only do most Democrats have an unfavorable view of the Iraq war, but three-quarters (74%) have a very unfavorable view of it" https://news.gallup.com/poll/24760/r...rt-troops.aspx
So, while many people get duped by war mongering, there is absolutely no comparison in terms of what side of the aisle enjoys bombing foreign lands with more fervor.
This should be quite obvious (why do people always say the Military (officers, especially) vote Republican?)....but in a thread such as this it is important to point out the MAJOR difference between liberals and conservatives. That gulf is so wide (see that polling)...that it's not even up for debate.
So, are Trumpies now claiming they and their party have been wrong for a number of decades? Have they learned...and are they hypocritical enough to bring up false equivalency and whataboutism? Of course they are!
A more reasonable and logical mind would credit the left for at least attempting to keep the war drums lower....
funny!!!!! in the last 100 years, it has been Democrat Presidents over Republicans that has got the U.S. involved in wars and endless occupations since WW 1..........You think the U.S. history started with the Iraq war?
Most Republicans that supported Trump got tired of the Bush doctrine of open borders, globalism, endless wars and endless occupations. That's why Jeb and everybody in the GOP that wanted to continue the Bush doctrine was rejected and rejected badly in 2016....Democrats only are opposed that if it's a Republican President because they don't give a damn if a Democrat President in power does it. How can they explain Hillary Clinton, the biggest War Hawk running in 2016 in both parties that voted for the Iraq War and supported intervention in Libya and Syria to the point of shooting Russian Jets down with her NO fly zone policy?
they had no problems electing her and she is more dangerous in foreign policy than W Bush.
From recent debates with friends we've been narrowing in on this.
It's not surprising, their behavior.
Bush knowingly lied to the country and sent thousands of men and women to die for nothing.
The right knew this, but it was their president.
They rebelled against it. Hence the intro of the RINO tag.
They couldn't put enough distance between them and Bush, resulting in trump.
Any decent member of the right knows trump is trash, but again, he's theirs.
It's a serious identity crisis. I hope they recover soon, they're a little busy eating each other though.
please!!!! Bush didn't do anything without Congress....leaders of the Democrat party in Congress gave him the green light. Obama and Hillary proved that they are not apart from the Bush doctrine.
Trump got elected because the party rebelled against the Bush doctrine of open borders, globalism, bad trade deals, endless wars and endless occupations.......Trump was the hammer that was badly needed to go after the neocons and the globalism in the party and the establishment.
Democrats are hypocrites....after bashing W BUSH for 8 years they were silent on Obama and were willing to accept Hillary as commander in chief. One of the biggest war hawks and corrupt politicians in Washington but Trump is trash and Trump is the problem??? If he goes away everything goes back to normal like it was before....lol
Next we will hear about the War of Northern Aggression and that peaceful southern conservatives didn't want it.....
People - we are HERE NOW. And the facts show - without a doubt - that the Right are FAR bigger warmongers and have more acceptance of a Police State (law and order) and want more and more for "offense" (they call it defense).
Heck, their King speaks of it regularly and I don't hear any backlash.
Again, in a thread such as this it has to be said that the excess warmongering of this nation in the 21st century is largely from the right. By a long shot.
Carry on. But facts are facts. I hate Trump. But if he was truly worth 100 billion dollars I would agree that he was worth 100 billion dollars. By the same token, one cannot presently ask why Americans fall for War Propaganda without saying that there is a VAST difference.
I'm speaking from experience. From the Society of Friends to my friends...many of who are involved in peace efforts...I see almost zero Righties. They are too busy thumping their chests and buying more guns to protect themselves.
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