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"Patriots"?? You mean that neo-Nazi bunch of losers who were bussed in from outside Oregon to deliberately cause trouble?
Sounds like antidemocratic disingenuous framing of the situation to me. They had a permit for a demonstration. Antifa arrived to turn things violent. The former was not starting trouble, but the latter was. Unless you see certain portions of the USA as your "territory", and any challenge to that notion as "deliberately causing trouble".
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Tell us, to what entity is their "patriotism" addressed?
Tell us, what are you talking about?? Who are you to demand a further explanation for anyone's expression of patriotism for the United States?
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They appear to be led by a weirdo who is running for office in Vancouver, WA.
What's your point?
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Nothing to do with Portland, Oregon
Sorry, Portland is a part of the United States. You seem to see a conservative presence in Portland as an anathema. Portland is not your territory, closed off from political or any other type of access.
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- just a bunch of far rightists taking advantage of an opportunity.
To demonstrate as is their constitutional right to do so? Nice commie reframing of the rights that everyone has.
I did see the Far Left taking an opportunity to deprive them of that right and to be violent.
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Of course they got the required permits to rally in a state where no one can vote for their candidate - they just craved publicity and controversy and knew they'd get both by their choice of dates and location.
As long as they weren't being violent, they can demonstrate anywhere that they wish.
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They had nothing whatsoever to do with the huge, entirely peaceful "Families Belong Together" rally and were nowhere near them.
And they weren't being peaceful before antifa arrived?
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I trust the FBI is looking into Russian ties to both groups,
Your high paranoia level mus be difficult to live with, assuming that you aren't just insulting everyone's intelligence through use of a straw man. I strongly dislike antifa, bu I would never ascribe the political or criminal actions of common citizens to anything but their free agency. Doing so undermines democracy. Which, ironically, is very Russian.
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both of which seem determined to further disrupt and divide and to smear law-abiding, civil discourse in the process.
I saw one law abiding demonstration and another group that showed up to start a fight. The latter group certainly disrupted the former's discourse. But what discourse are you referring to? Only that which is within the acceptable politics of your personal Overton Window? Again, very democratic of you.
If the commies would just ignore them. Portland must be really boring.
Living is easy, and incomes are high enough. Portland is a distance from reality, which is why it is a special draw for the antifa crowd. There was even a successful show made based on the central themes that I describe. The show bills the Portland lifestyle as "retirement for young people".
Exactly. Once he gets out of the hospital he should be charged with attempted murder.
Is there a more aggressively lawless, violent group of militant thugs in our nation today than the fascist wing of the Democrat left, which calls itself "Antifa"?
Does anyone know a politically oriented group that tops this one with regards to having these qualities? I cannot think of one.
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Just watched other footage and the guy starts violently convulsing on the ground after his Antifa girlfriend and buddies drag him to the sidewalk. You can hear them all start screaming "medic!" at the cops for help.
Now I am worried for the guy. Might be a moron of the highest caliber but that is bad.
Read that there was one "serious" injury from the riot. I would bet it was this guy.
Crazy
Yup, its bad.
But why the sympathy for the guy who had just prior run over to another guy, who had been knocked to the ground, to beat him with a baton?
He might not survive. However, it would be difficult to conclude that he didn't deserve the pushback that he received for what he was doing in the moment.
He was willing to beat people with a baton who were prior peacefully demonstrating, whether they were standing or on the ground and outnumbered.
He was swinging it at the guy who knocked him out.
In addition to that, there is the context of his willingness to suppress free speech with a baton.
They define anything to the Right of their Far Left communist rooted ideology as "fascist", and so their label is semantically meaningless. They violently attack what opposes them. What they are is "Pro Communist".
They have their historical root in the paramilitary arm of the communist party. Their equivalent in Spain carried out death squad executions by the thousands, just like their Communist compatriots in Russia. This was to eliminate challenges to power, not to fight against an ideology. Of course, to them its the same thing. They are pro Communist. Full stop.
And just like their fascist cousins did in support of the National Socialist German workers party before and during WWII.
The current Democrat left is socialist at its core, as even they are coming out and increasingly admitting, after many long years passionately denying it. While the Marxist communist roots of these people are clearly apparent, so are the fascist roots. Both communism and fascism are different styles of socialism. In fact, aside from their position on property ownership - the fascists allow it, albeit under direction of a collectivist government - fascists and communists are really not so different.
So, where does our Democrat left stand on this question? They could change their tune in the decades to come, but currently they appear to align squarely with the fascists.
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Is there a more aggressively lawless, violent, militant thugs in our nation today than the fascist wing of the Democrat left, which calls itself "Antifa"?
Does anyone know a politically oriented group that tops this one with regards to having these qualities? I cannot think of one.
If a loony liberal marxist places a name on something, it is the exact opposite of the name given.
It is their projection factor.
And just like their fascist cousins did in support of the National Socialist German workers party before and during WWII.
The current Democrat left is socialist at its core, as even they are coming out and increasingly admiting, after many long years passionately denying it. While the Marxist communist roots of these people are clearly apparent, so are the fascist roots. Both communism and fascism are different styles of socialism. In fact, aside from their position on property ownership - the fascists allow it, albeit under direction of a collectivist government - fascists and communists are really not so different.
So, where does our Democrat left stand on this question? They could change their tune in the decades to come, but currently they appear to align squarely with the fascists.
The 16th amendment allowed the onslaught and take over of Fascism in the USA, under the "Progressive" umbrella.
End the 16th amendment, and you end Fascism and Marxism in the USA
Portland Police declared a riot Saturday after tensions between the right-wing Patriot Prayer group and local anti-fascist activists came to a head and broke out in violence.
The afternoon began with a permitted rally at Terry Schrunk Federal Plaza organized by Joey Gibson, U.S. Senate candidate for Washington and leader of the right-wing, Vancouver-based group.
A counter-demonstration by masked local anti-fascist groups gathered nearby among a heavy police presence. Officers seized weapons such as utility knives, clubs and chemical sprays, detaining several protesters early on.
Things turned ugly shortly after 6 p.m., when Patriot Prayer protesters spilled into Third Avenue to begin their permitted march through the streets of Portland.
(Editor's note: That's not when things turned ugly. They were calm and peaceable as the Patriot Prayer group began their permitted march. Things only turned ugly when the bused-in, masked Antifa thugs began attacking them. -Roboteer)
Antifascist counter-demonstrators immediately began lobbing eggs, half-empty water bottles and firecrackers at the conservative marchers, prompting federal police to fire paintballs filled with pepper spray into the crowd. Portland police said four people were struck by the projectiles and had to be taken to the hospital. An officer was also struck and taken to the hospital.
(Editor's note: They weren't "anti-fascist counter-demonstrators". They were themselves fascist terrorist thugs, whose agenda was to use violence to shut down and otherwise-peaceful, law-abiding march. -Roboteer)
The bureau declared a riot and revoked the march permit soon after police said they witnessed several instances of assault and other criminal activity. They ordered rioters to clear the area and warned that non-compliance would lead to arrest.
I hope everyone took notice about the descriptors used to describe each group <bold>. The first descriptor leads one to believe that group is bad and the other group is some kind of moral pro U.S. savior. No agenda bias there, nope none at all...
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Yup, its bad.
But why the sympathy for the guy who had just prior run over to another guy, who had been knocked to the ground, to beat him with a baton?
He might not survive. However, it would be difficult to conclude that he didn't deserve the pushback that he received for what he was doing in the moment.
He was willing to beat people with a baton who were prior peacefully demonstrating, whether they were standing or on the ground and outnumbered.
He was swinging it at the guy who knocked him out.
In addition to that, there is the context of his willingness to suppress free speech with a baton.
What's really funny is the group that constantly profess hate for first responders/LEO's is the first to scream MEDIC/POLICE/HELP when in trouble. What should have happened is a cop to walk up and say "sorry, you need to call one of your buddies or your backers for help since you hate us so much"...
Is there a more aggressively lawless, violent group of militant thugs in our nation today than the fascist wing of the Democrat left, which calls itself "Antifa"?
Does anyone know a politically oriented group that tops this one with regards to having these qualities? I cannot think of one.
Maybe BLM or the Black Panthers, but they are all cut from the same cloth.
The irony of course is BLM/BP primarily are engaged in racist speech/rhetoric, yet Pantifa does not protest or attack them.
That is because those groups are leftists, wanting to overthrow the existing form of governance in America. They would be the first to burn the Constitution and declare a new world order.
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What is wrong with people?
We all have a Right to assemble (with a permit) and listen to a speech.
It is also within our Rights not to ignore what is being said.
No one has the Right to attack someone else just because they don't like what is being said.
Is this the type of civil discourse that Nancy Pelosi and other Dems are calling for?
The leadership and prominanat members of the (D's) have fallen in with the leftist kooks, and now mouth what the inmates are saying.
We already know what the so called "anti-fascists" are all about, as they are fascists themselves. But you'd think the seasoned politicians of a major party would know better, and reign in the kooks under their tent. Instead they allow them to expose how the (D's) are becoming full blown socialists, heading for communism down the road.
They are also creating a self fulfilling prophecy about rioting in the streets, though it is them, not the (R's) who they accused of such things.
One thing that makes no sense to me is who the Antifa kooks are allowed to assemble with face masks on
You know they do this to avoid being identified when they are committing crimes. Many years ago the KKK was prohibited from wearing their face masks in public, more or less for the same reason. So why are they allowing these leftist loons to cover their faces?
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On side note, the guy who got his clocked cleaned at 5:55 had a weapon, yet he obviously was a puss. He is just lucky the guy punched him, because if someone comes at you with a weapon like that, a CC person could justifiably defend themselves with lethal force.
As it turns out that guy might have some brain damage anyway. The only issue will be to determine what braindamage was preexisting, and what came from the knockout and head slamming into the ground.
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