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Old 09-29-2017, 08:03 PM
 
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At least it's a start. Many, if not most Democrats/lefties do not support illegal immigration. We believe in obeying the laws of this country.

It's very true that American jobs are being lost to illegals and it's a travesty that some cities choose to protect these law breakers.
Not according the Democrat politicians. So from what you're saying, obviously they're out of touch with their own base too.
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Old 09-29-2017, 09:05 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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But aren't there special visas available for those sorts of jobs? If not, there should be. The workers don't have to live in this country for life.

And still, illegals are taking away construction and landscaping jobs that Americans do. American owned landscaping businesses around where I live are at risk. If someone needs people to landscape their backyard, they would normally hire a professional landscaper but now there are illegals who would do it for a lot less. The owner may still be an American so he could design the landscaping plan but the actual workers could well be illegals. How can an honest business compete with that?
The immigration system - the one our politicians have refused to fix - is so cumbersome that there is no way to enter the US from Mexico legally. All this yelling about "Get in line" is meaningless. There is no line!
https://www.americanimmigrationcounc...-just-get-line

And there should be. There should be a system whereby a worker visa is issued and the worker is free to come and go with certain restrictions. It's all part of immigration reform and it should have been done years ago.
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Old 09-29-2017, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Do you have any reference or evidence to support that allegation? Or did you just make it up out of thin air, because you really, really wish it was true... and therefore it must be?
I'm against sanctuary cities and all for enforcing immigration laws but let's not delude ourselves in thinking illegal immigration levels have that much of an impact on crime. There are other reasons why illegal immigration is not a good thing, but when it comes to crime levels, it's not that relevant.

Race and Crime in America | Ron Unz – Writings and Perspectives
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/u...e.html?mcubz=1
Illegal immigrant crime wave? Evidence is hard to find | Fox News
Race and Rising Violent Crime | RealClearPolicy
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Old 09-29-2017, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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498 and about another few million to go... not to mention a lot of them will try to get back
While they are building the permanent border wall, We should build a temporary border wall using the bodies of dead illegal aliens just like we did with the dead North Koreans during the Korean war during trench warfare.
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Old 09-30-2017, 12:55 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I'm against sanctuary cities and all for enforcing immigration laws but let's not delude ourselves in thinking illegal immigration levels have that much of an impact on crime.
As I thought, you have no reference or evidence to support your wishful thinking.

Some people actually want to make the illegal aliens within our borders, into legal citizens. They either overlook, or don't care, that the only thing all those people have in common, is a desire, ability, and proven record of breaking the laws of the United States.

That is hardly a qualification to become the next group of American citizens.

BTW, still no one has yet explained to me why illegal aliens should be given a higher priority for legal admission to the country, than foreigners who have legally applied for visas, filled out all the govt forms, gone through the background checks, and waited patiently for years to be granted govt permission to enter (i.e. gotten a legal permanent visa).
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Old 09-30-2017, 01:21 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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The ironic thing about the recent raids is that, due to lack of cooperation from sanctuary city governments, ICE was forced to go after the criminal illegals in their neighborhoods and a number of "non-criminal" illegals were scooped up as collateral damage.

Good.
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Old 09-30-2017, 05:11 AM
 
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The ironic thing about the recent raids is that, due to lack of cooperation from sanctuary city governments, ICE was forced to go after the criminal illegals in their neighborhoods and a number of "non-criminal" illegals were scooped up as collateral damage.

Good.
There's nothing ironic there. ICE makes it a priority to go after criminal illegals. They always have. There are enough criminal illegals to keep them busy. If they wanted to go after non criminal illegals, there would be random raids in cities like Santa Ana where 40 percent are illegal. They'd have to bring in a few dozen buses for several days in a row taking illegals away just to make a dent.
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Old 09-30-2017, 06:52 AM
 
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The immigration system - the one our politicians have refused to fix - is so cumbersome that there is no way to enter the US from Mexico legally. All this yelling about "Get in line" is meaningless. There is no line!
https://www.americanimmigrationcounc...-just-get-line

And there should be. There should be a system whereby a worker visa is issued and the worker is free to come and go with certain restrictions. It's all part of immigration reform and it should have been done years ago.

Are you not aware that Mexicans and other Latinos enjoy the highest quotas by far for legal immigration into our country? We already have numerous worker visas. Just what jobs do we need illegal aliens for that we need in increase our worker visas for?
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Old 09-30-2017, 07:50 AM
 
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Good for them...I like your overblown title...drama much? The most common crime of those being held on detainer for the ICE agents was the heinous charge of drunk driving.

ICE arrests hundreds of immigrants in 'sanctuary cities' around the nation, California - LA Times

"All told, more than 300 of those arrested had criminal convictions, according to figures released by ICE. Nearly 90 of those people had been convicted of drunk driving, the most common offense."

Don't get me wrong..I'm totally in favor of this..in fact, I'm disappointed at the token sized numbers...when we start talking 10,000+ I'll be happy. I get that you were technically correct..but really...just a bit overblown with the thread title.
To someone, who lost a loved one to a drunk driving accident I'm pretty happy about it. 10,000 people a year die due to drunk drivers.
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Old 09-30-2017, 07:53 AM
 
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The immigration system - the one our politicians have refused to fix - is so cumbersome that there is no way to enter the US from Mexico legally. All this yelling about "Get in line" is meaningless. There is no line!
https://www.americanimmigrationcounc...-just-get-line

And there should be. There should be a system whereby a worker visa is issued and the worker is free to come and go with certain restrictions. It's all part of immigration reform and it should have been done years ago.
It's "complicated" - to say the least. It's even more "complicated" because so few American Citizens understand the system, because it's necessary to have expensive Lawyers to navigate the system and because Politics play a part on both sides of the aisle.

There IS a "Line" - it's all done by a percentage allocated to every Nation. The "line" is longer for Mexican Immigrants because there are so many of them, as opposed to how many slots are allowed to Mexico.

1.4 million Mexicans waiting to legally immigrate into U.S., only 65,600 were allowed in |AL.com (Alabama.com)

Last year 1.38 million Mexican citizens were waiting in line for a United States work visa or an immigration visa through a family member. But there were only 26,000 visas made available for Mexico last year.

The visa cap applies evenly to each country, but Mexico has by far the longest waiting list, according to U.S. State Department figures.

Even the applications now being processed for extended family, such as the Mexico-born adult children or the siblings of now-U.S. citizens date back to late 1992 and early 1993. In other words, the waiting period to legally imigrate to the U.S. through a family member who has become a citizen is now 18 years.


The US has several types of Work Visas but they are also limited. The "Guest Worker" is a worker that comes for a specific job and time period - We have some of those Visas, but need more.

Politics play a HUGE part in Guest Worker Visas -- the UNIONS are very against them and that's also a main reason that Congress has been unable to pass new Immigration Laws. It's not just the Left and the Unions that fund the Left - it's also the Right and those who are clueless about how it all works.

The Poison Pill that killed Immigration Reform in 2007 |Washington Post - June 14, 2007

Democrat Byron Dorgan, who seldom has tasted legislative success during 15 years in the Senate, scored a dubious victory last week. He was able to insert a poison pill into the immigration reform bill that aimed at emasculating the essential guest-worker program. The 49 to 48 vote that passed Dorgan's amendment included surprising support from two prominent first-term senators: Jim DeMint, a conservative Republican from South Carolina, and Barack Obama, a Democratic presidential candidate from Illinois.

Dorgan pushed his killer amendment by voicing the Great Plains populism of his home state of North Dakota, but the measure was the product of organized labor. DeMint, normally counted on to oppose anything with the union label, admittedly voted for the Dorgan amendment for the sole purpose of killing the immigration bill. Obama's vote was even more surprising, considering his participation in the closed-door bipartisan drafting of the immigration compromise that had secured a major change.

The Dorgan amendment is a classic poison pill: designed to kill, not improve, the bill. Its passage makes resurrection of immigration reform all the more difficult. Decisive votes by DeMint and Obama were not appreciated by the bipartisan group that had crafted the bargain intended to secure America's borders while permitting an orderly flow of temporary workers.


Senator Obama was not the only famous Democrat that voted for this "poison pill" at the demand from Labor Unions - Senator Hillary Clinton also voted for the "poison pill". The 2nd reason they voted for the Poison Pill is to make sure that Immigration Reform never happened under a Republican Administration. I believe that positions are so hardened that we won't see Immigration Reform at all -- it will take a Political Voice with a LOUD megaphone and plain speaking to ever explain the real issues. The Media will always have the loudest Megaphone and they have ZERO interest in anything but Political Ideology.

There is absolutely no way that Labor Unions will allow Guest Worker Visas unless those guest workers are Unionized and controlled by Labor when they enter the USA to work.
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