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Old 03-08-2008, 09:42 AM
 
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I have a 5K deductible - I choose it. No big deal.

As for scripts - the highest co-pay is $35. And, I go to WalMart where Generics are only $4.00. If I went anywhere else, under my policy, generics are only $10.

I'm not getting rid of my insurance policy - we love it.
OK, to fill you up...

US is a SIGNING party of UN charter of basic human rights... read below.
Is this respected? How about maternity protection, leave, paid leave?

Article 21:
(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.

EQUAL access! Yes, if you're rich(in US)...
Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.




Poverty, child poverty, BOTH worst in western nations... no maternity leave paid... extortionate working hours, NO right to vacation... this is how
Us treats its citizens. No guaranteed ill days... no nothing.
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Old 03-08-2008, 09:44 AM
 
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The reason I am ABSOLUTELY sure my employer won't drop the insurance?

I'm the employer
So AGAIN I'll ask the question. Only people like you should get healthcare?

It does sound like you have a good plan and I'm glad it was there for you when you needed it. But have you no care for those who don't have same luxury - your fellow Americans?
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Old 03-08-2008, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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OK, to fill you up...

US is a SIGNING party of UN charter of basic human rights... read below.
Is this respected? How about maternity protection, leave, paid leave?

Article 21:
(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.

EQUAL access! Yes, if you're rich(in US)...
Article 25.
  • (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
Oh - so you are now ascribing to a "one world order" kind of person??

Sorry to disappoint you but, everyone in the US has access to healthcare.

And, the US does not provide "security" type income for the masses.

There is welfare benefits that may be available - but, one must go apply for those

Oh, I don't subscribe to the useless UN
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Old 03-08-2008, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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So AGAIN I'll ask the question. Only people like you should get healthcare?
Again - everyone has access to health care in the US.
You are trying to make "health care" and "health insurance" synomous.
They are not.
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Old 03-08-2008, 09:51 AM
 
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Oh - so you are now ascribing to a "one world order" kind of person??

Sorry to disappoint you but, everyone in the US has access to healthcare.

And, the US does not provide "security" type income for the masses.

There is welfare benefits that may be available - but, one must go apply for those

Oh, I don't subscribe to the useless UN
Yes, i happen to have lived here for ten years... hordes of beggars, homeless,
people DYING every day because they have no money.

Useless UN? It's the convention about basic human rights... obviously, you didn't learn about that on history classes?

I've know of people being refused medical care, and even people dying because they have no money. After 10 years here, you're trying to convince me otherwise?



BTW, Hobokenkitchen, did you see a private message i sent you?
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Old 03-08-2008, 09:51 AM
 
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Actually - the BK's are caused by LACK OF INCOME - someone gets sick and they are off work for days, weeks or months or years.

It isn't the medical bills per se - it is they have no income or savings.

Think about it
So how much do you suggest everyone keep in the bank in case of illness? Whether it be the medical expenses or the related costs you mentioned?

I imagine the figure will be large - a year of income if it's a serious illness?

We actually keep that much handy just in case, but most people can't.

If you have a lower income you may need 2 years worth.

Do you REALLY think this is possible for most families?

Think about it.
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Old 03-08-2008, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Yes, i happen to have lived here for ten years... hordes of beggars, homeless,
people DYING every day because they have no money.

Useless UN? It's the convention about basic human rights... obviously, you didn't learn about that on history classes?

I've know of people being refused medical care, and even people dying because they have no money. After 10 years here, you're trying to convince me otherwise?
No one is ever denied medical care in the US if they seek it out. That is a fact.

We do not provide (guarantee) minimum incomes to people in the United States.

There is no requirement for paid leave in the United States

There is no requirement for paid vacations in the United States

And I have lived here ALL my life (60 years) and work with the homeless populations - some of who have money but actually like living on the streets.

Again - NO ONE is denied access to healthcare in the United States due to their inability to pay. PERIOD.
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Old 03-08-2008, 09:56 AM
 
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Oh, I don't subscribe to the useless UN
Hilarious. And we wonder why the USA has issues with the us vs them attitude!
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Old 03-08-2008, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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So how much do you suggest everyone keep in the bank in case of illness? Whether it be the medical expenses or the related costs you mentioned?

I imagine the figure will be large - a year of income if it's a serious illness?

We actually keep that much handy just in case, but most people can't.

If you have a lower income you may need 2 years worth.

Do you REALLY think this is possible for most families?
But, being off work due to illness is not the same as health insurance now, is it?

Or, are you now suggesting that those who are off work due to injury or illness should ALSO be guaranteed a minimum income as well?

By your own admission - even those with health insurance filed BK - had nothing to do with the medical bills now - did it????????

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Old 03-08-2008, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Hilarious. And we wonder why the USA has issues with the us vs them attitude!
The UN today is a very worthless and corrupt organization. It does not provide any useful service. IMO, it should be totally disbanded and closed.

New York could use that valuable piece of real estate for a more productive use anyway
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