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Of course, it's relevant to a discussion of whether legal workers would do the jobs if the law were enforced. They would do the job if the employers paid the market rate.
Now, it's true that employers have to deal with the world as it is, and those inclined to obey the law face the prospect of being undercut by competitors without such scruples, so I can have some sympathy for employers caught in that position.
The two parts in orange are the key, and I think we agree on this - currently illegals ARE part of the system. We would be having a different discussion if we were operating in an environment where illegals weren't part of the work force. But how loud would the screams be from supermarkets when an avocado cost $10, and strawberries are $20/pint?
Americans are just not willing to do stoop labor at a price point that the consumers of agricultural products are willing to accept. Something needs to be done, and I'm not sure of a good solution. Maybe implement something like the old Bracero program?
A million people (probably considerably less) = 1,500 per day for a couple years. That's one or two per worker per day. Sounds doable.
Due process? What's that got to do with anything I said?
Best guess s that there are 11 million illegal aliens residing in the US. That changes your math a lot.
Due process is important. At a minimum, we should make sure that the people being deported are actually illegal residents. Without due process, nothing prevents INS from showing up at your door and hustling you across the border with no return ticket.
Enforcement would save the taxpayers untold billions every year.
Not to mention crashing the economy. Removing 11 million people from the economy would result in a hit to our GDP as housing demand drops by 3%, goods and services also drop. Many of these people pay taxes. Sales taxes at the least, often income taxes. State and federal revenues drop. Many illegal aliens do not use any social services. Labor costs increase, so prices go up.
Abruptly getting rid of 11 million people will be an economic debacle.
Not to mention crashing the economy. Removing 11 million people from the economy would result in a hit to our GDP as housing demand drops by 3%, goods and services also drop. Many of these people pay taxes. Sales taxes at the least, often income taxes. State and federal revenues drop. Many illegal aliens do not use any social services. Labor costs increase, so prices go up.
Abruptly getting rid of 11 million people will be an economic debacle.
And lets not forget what it will do to the price of food.
Not to mention you still have to hire man power to secure it.
And use eminent domain to seize property from all the ranchers along the border who have refused for the past 30 years to have a wall or fence constructed on their property. Oh yeah and the little problem of having to build the wall on levees along the Rio Grande and constructing it in such a way that water can flow under it oops
You're making this too difficult. All we need to do is declare the illegals to be enemy combatants and allow the people and military to shoot them. Some will die and the rest will self-deport.
We can invoke the Alien Enemies Act on them and groups like La Raza have even said they were using illegal immigration to try and get parts of the US back under Mexican control, thus giving us a motive to declare them enemies of the state.
And use eminent domain to seize property from all the ranchers along the border who have refused for the past 30 years to have a wall or fence constructed on their property. Oh yeah and the little problem of having to build the wall on levees along the Rio Grande and constructing it in such a way that water can flow under it oops
How in the world is this fiscally feasible? I gotta brush on some constitutional particulars, but nevertheless it will be expensive, and another shameful reminder for future generations. It's kayfabe. It didn't happen in the past generation, during my 53 years the US population has for all intents and purposes, doubled.
Hiring people to round up the illegals would provide some temporary jobs also.
But if you just put the screws on employers the illegals would leave by choice.
It's a win-win for the USA as long as they go!
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