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When I lived in California, the company I worked for had a lot of illegals working in the plant. Everyone knew it, and the laws that companies are supposed to follow were circumvented by fake documentation, like fake SS cards, drivers licenses, etc. Illegals were simply a fact of life and were necessary because Americans didn't want the jobs illegals would gladly do.
As far as Trumps' wall.............probably the dumbest idea he has had so far, and he has some really dumb ideas. He could build it 5 miles high and 500 miles long, and they would still be able to come here. But, if anyone thinks they are taking OUR jobs, they are not being realistic. Americans are too lazy to take the jobs these people gladly accept, so why kid ourselves?
Maybe if these companies weren't slave drivers who paid their workers peanuts while they force them to bust their ass all day, Maybe Americans would be willing to do them? I think companies expect a lot out of people that barely make over minimum wage (illegals are most likely paid less than minimum wage) and expect people to work themselves to death for nothing.
Americans don't want to work, they want easy and they want it handed to them. Farmers in my area have a standing offer that if anyone wants a job, all they have to do is show up. They use Mexican migrants because Anglos won't do the work. It's hot, dirty, and doesn't pay much.
Again, the solution to this is to quit being a cheapskate who all he cares about is how much it costs him. As I said before, I don't think the problem is that people don't want to work, I think people want to pay workers next to nothing and work them to death, with no concern for their welfare or safety in a lot of cases.
I blame politicians (to a lesser extent) and businesses that take advantage of the situation. We've been conditioned to blame the politicos, yet most people elect the same people to office term-after-term. We let the businessmen off the hook but the problem will continue as long as they're complicit.
I think we should blame the voters. Despite me seeing the forest from the trees on our President-elect and realizing he is one of these businessmen who is let off the hook, he was seen as someone different to other voters, even if he was as bad of a choice as the other. Many times we don't get a true different choice even if we want to make it whether we are talking the same politician or a new one.
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Maybe if these companies weren't slave drivers who paid their workers peanuts while they force them to bust their ass all day, Maybe Americans would be willing to do them? I think companies expect a lot out of people that barely make over minimum wage (illegals are most likely paid less than minimum wage) and expect people to work themselves to death for nothing.
I don't think it is just that. The issue is we've seen jobs shed due to hostile takeover attempts, rising costs for workers (mostly driven up by costs mind you) and EPA for factories (though IMHO it is a needed evil), and also technology but internationally and with modern robotics and computing.
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Again, the solution to this is to quit being a cheapskate who all he cares about is how much it costs him. As I said before, I don't think the problem is that people don't want to work, I think people want to pay workers next to nothing and work them to death, with no concern for their welfare or safety in a lot of cases.
Yes but in this economy, too many of us small people, have to be. Not enough of us are making enough to afford the Made in America items as we would need to truly bring manufacturing back to the states. The dinner table economics don't allow it.
Again, the solution to this is to quit being a cheapskate who all he cares about is how much it costs him. As I said before, I don't think the problem is that people don't want to work, I think people want to pay workers next to nothing and work them to death, with no concern for their welfare or safety in a lot of cases.
Americans are stupid and proud of it. The H1B visa is the only thing that is bailing us out.
Again, the solution to this is to quit being a cheapskate who all he cares about is how much it costs him. As I said before, I don't think the problem is that people don't want to work, I think people want to pay workers next to nothing and work them to death, with no concern for their welfare or safety in a lot of cases.
Since you seem to have missed it before, I'll ask you again:
Do you work for the most money that you can earn, or the least? If it is OK for you to do the best you can for yourself, why is it wrong for the business owner to do the same?
Since you seem to have missed it before, I'll ask you again:
Do you work for the most money that you can earn, or the least? If it is OK for you to do the best you can for yourself, why is it wrong for the business owner to do the same?
I shall kindly answer this. Business is built on capitalism. which means business owners retain as much of the profits as they can while steering the ship to mass destruction.
Business 101 is not about any concerns for staff or the environment. Its about dodging as many laws/fines with such finesse so as not to stand out like a sore thumb. Apple is a prime example of outsourcing so as to pay as little as possible for labor so it can Profit and profit and did I mention profit?
Illegals are not using the mexican border, they are using trains, boats and other means to be here. In my world, a person needs to eat, survive and find their way in this messed up imaginary lines created by govt'.
Ask any native indian how they handled illegal Puritans that came here.
I shall kindly answer this. Business is built on capitalism. which means business owners retain as much of the profits as they can while steering the ship to mass destruction.
Business 101 is not about any concerns for staff or the environment. Its about dodging as many laws/fines with such finesse so as not to stand out like a sore thumb. Apple is a prime example of outsourcing so as to pay as little as possible for labor so it can Profit and profit and did I mention profit?
Illegals are not using the mexican border, they are using trains, boats and other means to be here. In my world, a person needs to eat, survive and find their way in this messed up imaginary lines created by govt'.
Ask any native indian how they handled illegal Puritans that came here.
Nice rant. But even you didn't answer the questions.
It's not the illegals that are taking my job. It's the legal ones, H1B visa immigrants, being hired at every Fortune 500 company. They are taking away the 100k jobs for Americans to pay the legal immigrants less. They are taking away middle class jobs.
I don't care about the illegals and their jobs. They are taking the jobs pay crap, even if you are a citizen. Minimum wage doesn't even cover half my expenses and forget about working for tips.
That. ^^^ Do you know that Eric Trump just requested permission for six H2 visas for foreign workers? Eric, president of the Charlottesville, VA, vineyard owned by the president-elect, petitioned the Labor Department for the visas saying Americans aren't qualified to prune grape vines.
According to the Washington Post and CNN Money, "Trump's various businesses have been granted approval to hire at least 1,256 foreign guest workers over the last 15 years, according to a CNN analysis of Labor Department filings. Since the start of Trump's campaign in June 2015, companies he owns have requested at least 190 foreign visa workers, according to Department of Labor data. The workers were hired on a variety of different U.S. visa programs." Many of these people work at Trump's Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach where, according to Trump, he can't get American citizens to work.
Or maybe Americans just aren't good-looking. A lawsuit was filed in California in 2012 over Trump's mandate that women working at the Trump National Golf Club in Rancho Palos Verdes weren't "attractive enough." The catering manager testified that she he wanted to "create and enforce a culture of beauty, where female employees’ appearances were prized over their skills," according to the Los Angeles Times.
That. ^^^ Do you know that Eric Trump just requested permission for six H2 visas for foreign workers? Eric, president of the Charlottesville, VA, vineyard owned by the president-elect, petitioned the Labor Department for the visas saying Americans aren't qualified to prune grape vines.
According to the Washington Post and CNN Money, "Trump's various businesses have been granted approval to hire at least 1,256 foreign guest workers over the last 15 years, according to a CNN analysis of Labor Department filings. Since the start of Trump's campaign in June 2015, companies he owns have requested at least 190 foreign visa workers, according to Department of Labor data. The workers were hired on a variety of different U.S. visa programs." Many of these people work at Trump's Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach where, according to Trump, he can't get American citizens to work.
Or maybe Americans just aren't good-looking. A lawsuit was filed in California in 2012 over Trump's mandate that women working at the Trump National Golf Club in Rancho Palos Verdes weren't "attractive enough." The catering manager testified that she he wanted to "create and enforce a culture of beauty, where female employees’ appearances were prized over their skills," according to the Los Angeles Times.
Illegal migrant labor has long been used in agriculture in this country. Are you really taking Trump to task for following the rules to bring in LEGAL, temporary, agricultural labor?
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He could build it 5 miles high and 500 miles long, and they would still be able to come here. But, if anyone thinks they are taking OUR jobs, they are not being realistic. Americans are too lazy to take the jobs these people gladly accept, so why kid ourselves?
