Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Yeah, it must have really scared the **** out the first North Americans as they walked across the Bering Land Bridge 15k years ago only to see their chances of returning to Asia smothered by a rising sea that transformed the Bering Land Bridge into the Bering Sea at the astonishing rate of 3mm/yr.
Well, I for one am not going to sit back and do nothing (or worse, go fishing) the way the first Americans did.
They took the hands-off approach, and look where it got them.
The ice sheets that were once more than two miles high at the very spot where I am seated here in SE Michigan are gone leaving us with huge lakes.
Had the first inhabitants only known that they needed a carbon-credit exchange (CCX), this could have all been avoided!
I wonder if they were climate deniers....
You have a link to that bolded statement, years, etc.? (please don't be Anthony Watt, please don't be Anthony Watt....)
Don't play dumb, Trap. You've spent an inordinate amount of time denying facts in this thread. THAT is what's in black and white for all to see. If you hadn't, you wouldn't have earned the "denier" moniker that you so proudly sport.
What I have denied is that anything we are seeing today is unprecedented. I deny that there is any possible way to take a 135 year period out of billions of years with barely 40 years of consistent measurments and make the same claims as to cause with the scientific certainty that the warmers have pitched. It's positively unscientific.
I have denied that a graph created and hosted by NOAA is any different than the identical graph reposted on C3 simply because it's annotated. The data is the same. What you deny is that there can be any other explanation or interpretation of data. What you deny is natural variability on a single planet, one of billions, that wobbles around a giant ball of hydrogen in one of millions of galaxies in a universe billions of years old.
What I have denied is that anything we are seeing today is unprecedented. I deny that there is any possible way to take a 135 year period out of billions of years with barely 40 years of consistent measurments and make the same claims as to cause with the scientific certainty that the warmers have pitched. It's positively unscientific.
A few things:
-The industrial age and the corresponding release of fossil fuels has no precedent.
-we do have both CO2, temperature data that extends back well beyond 135 years
-prior changes in the earths temperature were from natural causes
If you believe that increased CO2 causes warming to what do you attribute the increased levels of not man?
What I have denied is that anything we are seeing today is unprecedented. I deny that there is any possible way to take a 135 year period out of billions of years with barely 40 years of consistent measurments and make the same claims as to cause with the scientific certainty that the warmers have pitched. It's positively unscientific.
I have denied that a graph created and hosted by NOAA is any different than the identical graph reposted on C3 simply because it's annotated. The data is the same. What you deny is that there can be any other explanation or interpretation of data. What you deny is natural variability on a single planet, one of billions, that wobbles around a giant ball of hydrogen in one of millions of galaxies in a universe billions of years old.
You clearly have not been paying attention to some of the conversation, Trap. I have stated in several posts that no one is disputing the natural variations in the earth's climate. At issue is the cause of the current warming trend. It's unnatural. We are in a natural cooling phase yet global temperatures are rising. The cause has been shown, with data collected by reputable climate scientists, to be excess greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. If not by man, then where do you think these greenhouse gasses originated?
Humans may or may not be the primary cause of climate change.
CO2 exists in such tiny concentrations (400 ppm is 1/25 of 1%) and man`s contribution to that tiny amount is so small that to conclude man`s contribution to atmospheric CO2 is a more significant factor in the slight warming of the Troposphere that occurred prior to 1998 than changes in the Earth`s albedo (snow, ice, cloud cover, black carbon, etc.) or the most significant greenhouse gas, water vapor, defies reason.
Dramatic Stratospheric cooling of the sort we have witnessed over the past 40 years should cause proportional Tropospheric warming, it`s simple physics.
The linear increase in atmospheric CO2 over time should be met with a corresponding linear increase in Tropospheric temperatures.
This has not happened, fictional homogenized temperature records notwithstanding.
That fact alone should end the discussion about CO2.
Of course it won`t because this isn`t about global warming, its causes or its real world significance.
It`s about a carbon tax because you can`t tax water vapor, black carbon, deforestation or already banned refrigerants.
Over the past 35 years, the troposphere has warmed significantly. The global average temperature has risen at an average rate of about 0.13 degrees Kelvin per decade (0.23 degrees F per decade).
Climate models cannot explain this warming if human-caused increases in greenhouse gases are not included as input to the model simulation.
-The industrial age and the corresponding release of fossil fuels has no precedent.
-we do have both CO2, temperature data that extends back well beyond 135 years
-prior changes in the earths temperature were from natural causes
If you believe that increased CO2 causes warming to what do you attribute the increased levels of not man?
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
