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What I love about this is that basically everyone assumes that when you take down one system, all that's left is the American way. Which is ****ing stupid.
Health care in America is not reasonably priced. People go into crippling debt to pay for treatment of medical issues like cancer or unforeseen injuries. Republicans usually assume the people who are in these financially strenuous situations are lazy, but that's not the case. The average cost of cancer treatment is ~$41,000. Median income is ~$51,000. This means 80% of a person's income goes to paying for cancer treatment, leaving ~$10,000 to cover everything else in their life. And that's with the assumption that you make $50,000. Someone who makes less is probably just going to die. And the conservative argument is that they were too lazy to get a job.
That system is not ok. Regardless of speed or efficiency, if treatment costs that much, I really don't care if our actual quality of care is better. I can tell you right now, I cannot afford cancer treatment. I do not make nearly enough. I would die if I got cancer. Or be in debt for the rest of my life. Those are my two options.
Country's like Sweden offered up a solution to this problem. It's not the only solution, but maybe instead of just crying about lazy people, you offered another solution. The free market approach is not currently working. Too many people cannot afford healthcare or treatment. That is not ok. We live in a society. Be as selfish as you want with your money, but if you sincerely don't care about poor people getting sick, then you're ****. You're a **** person, and that's all there is to it.
Personally, I'd like to believe that within my life time, a new economic system will exist that is neither capitalism nor socialism.
What I love about this is that basically everyone assumes that when you take down one system, all that's left is the American way. Which is ****ing stupid.
Health care in America is not reasonably priced. People go into crippling debt to pay for treatment of medical issues like cancer or unforeseen injuries. Republicans usually assume the people who are in these financially strenuous situations are lazy, but that's not the case. The average cost of cancer treatment is ~$41,000. Median income is ~$51,000. This means 80% of a person's income goes to paying for cancer treatment, leaving ~$10,000 to cover everything else in their life. And that's with the assumption that you make $50,000. Someone who makes less is probably just going to die. And the conservative argument is that they were too lazy to get a job.
That system is not ok. Regardless of speed or efficiency, if treatment costs that much, I really don't care if our actual quality of care is better. I can tell you right now, I cannot afford cancer treatment. I do not make nearly enough. I would die if I got cancer. Or be in debt for the rest of my life. Those are my two options.
Country's like Sweden offered up a solution to this problem. It's not the only solution, but maybe instead of just crying about lazy people, you offered another solution. The free market approach is not currently working. Too many people cannot afford healthcare or treatment. That is not ok. We live in a society. Be as selfish as you want with your money, but if you sincerely don't care about poor people getting sick, then you're ****. You're a **** person, and that's all there is to it.
Personally, I'd like to believe that within my life time, a new economic system will exist that is neither capitalism nor socialism.
We don't have a free market approach.
We have a highly regulated approach with business and government in bed with each other.
If we truly had a free market approach then those cheaper, same quality drugs sold in other countries would be available here at the same low cost.
That never happened in America for many decades of thousands upon thousands not having insurance and some that did being denied over and over again for stuff they were covered for? Naah, that never happened and is still not happening today. Naaah.
But, you should know that there is no shortage of idiots in America, who actually think that their insurance companies would put its bottom-line aside and take care of them at any cost. They tend to vote against the best interests of the nation, thinking "they are spared, and as long as they aren't affected".
If the two of you are so in love with the European model, feel free to go over there and partake of that largesse.
And while TPP opens up low cost drugs to everyone in the world, the US will be stuck with their high cost drugs for 8 years beyond TPP signing.
A deal made with big pharma and the administration.
That deal with pharma was made long before when Susan Schwab & the Bush administration agreed to enter in the TPP.
The Office of the United States Trade Representative, no matter what the political leanings of the administration, is to develop, recommend opportunities and conducting trade negotiations.
U.S. trade policy and trade negotiation objectives reflect U.S. commercial and economic interests.
Not mine and not yours.
That deal with pharma was made long before when Susan Schwab & the Bush administration agreed to enter in the TPP.
The Office of the United States Trade Representative, no matter what the political leanings of the administration, is to develop, recommend opportunities and conducting trade negotiations.
U.S. trade policy and trade negotiation objectives reflect U.S. commercial and economic interests.
Not mine and not yours.
So Bush somehow is responsible for the big pharma drug deal in the TPP that just got signed by Obama ?
ROFLMAO
No, Obama EXTENDED big pharma's hold over drugs for 8 more years.
So Bush somehow is responsible for the big pharma drug deal in the TPP that just got signed by Obama ?
ROFLMAO
No, Obama EXTENDED big pharma's hold over drugs for 8 more years.
Not responsible, but Bush started it and would have signed it, if it had been completed during his term, just as every other White House administration over the last 50 years would have. And congress is well aware of the dealings and negotiations of the USTA before hand, via the House Ways & Means committee and Senate Finance Committee.
It seems that most of the deals, start with one administration and get finished by another. NAFTA started with Reagan, and was signed by Clinton. Even before NAFTA was written, businesses and some conservative organizations (Heritage Foundation for one, off the top of my head) were pushing for a pacific trade agreement. And this one, like NAFTA, is exactly what they wanted.
Not responsible, but Bush started it and would have signed it, if it had been completed during his term, just as every other White House administration over the last 50 years would have. And congress is well aware of the dealings and negotiations of the USTA before hand, via the House Ways & Means committee and Senate Finance Committee.
It seems that most of the deals, start with one administration and get finished by another. NAFTA started with Reagan, and was signed by Clinton. Even before NAFTA was written, businesses and some conservative organizations (Heritage Foundation for one, off the top of my head) were pushing for a pacific trade agreement. And this one, like NAFTA, is exactly what they wanted.
You finally noticed ?
I haven't voted D or R in a Presidential election since 2000.
Wrong. I have tons of friends and cousins living in Sweden.
The average tax obligation for citizens of Sweden is about 31%, + they have a higher cost of living, about 40% MORE than we do...
Compare that to here, with 50% paying relatively ZERO federal income, many getting money back in fact to subsidize other obligations to the state etc, PLUS welfare, housing, energy assistance etc..
I wonder if Sweden has a free cell phone program.
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