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Old 08-26-2015, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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You can use the same website to research temperature records wherever you like.

I live in Michigan, so Michigan is of interest to me, but I have also looked elsewhere, avoiding areas that have experienced urbanization and industrialization (cow pastures are best), and I just don`t see a pattern of warming coinciding with increased atmospheric CO2.

In fact, it appears, in most cases, that temperatures have declined over the past eighty some years in remote areas.

If CO2 drives global warming, the same CO2 that is increasing the temperature in Jakarta, Indonesia should be increasing the temperature in Lola, Kansas.

If it isn`t, we have a problem.
It's you that has the problem....AGW does not cause temperatures to rise evenly everywhere....That's why the science uses averages...
http://scitechdaily.com/images/July-...r-Recorded.jpg
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Old 08-26-2015, 11:03 PM
 
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On record since WHEN? The EARTH IS 4+ BILLION years old. We have kept records for what....200 years? Jeez folks...get a grip!

I read an article today that said I-95 was the shoreline of an ocean a couple MILLION years ago.. climate change is nothing new. I won't debate whether we SHOULD do anything about it...but I will say we CANNOT affect the global climate at all.
4+ billion? I thought you people believe the earth is 6,000 years old when god created the universe and we are all descendants of adam and eve?
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Old 08-26-2015, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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It's you that has the problem....AGW does not cause temperatures to rise evenly everywhere....That's why the science uses averages...
http://scitechdaily.com/images/July-...r-Recorded.jpg


More cooked data...



There are small changes in global annual average trends between the old and new version. The global land 1880-2014 annual average trend increased from 0.97°C/century to 1.00°C/Century.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...i_R16Pp_qH5rFg
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Old 08-27-2015, 12:56 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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More cooked data...



There are small changes in global annual average trends between the old and new version. The global land 1880-2014 annual average trend increased from 0.97°C/century to 1.00°C/Century.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...i_R16Pp_qH5rFg
I'll tell you what, I'll take NOAA's science over your uninformed opinion every day of the week.

What you call cooked data is an adjustment to make the data more accurate....
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Old 08-27-2015, 01:08 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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_"NOAA Hoarding Key Data On Oil Spill Damage"_
huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/13/noaa-hoarding-key-data-on_n_645031.html

The Gulf is still recovering from 2 million gallons of dishwashing liquid dumped into it to sink the oil.

Science naifs like you are being used, sanspeur.
Straw man....I get it, you are trolling....Bye.
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Old 08-27-2015, 02:22 AM
 
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I honestly don't care if the causes were man made or the end of an ice age. It's probably both. That said, as a species, we've got to prepare for it. The so-called drout in the southwest, the fires....

I don't think it's a drout. I think it's the new normal.
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Old 08-27-2015, 03:16 AM
 
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I'll tell you what, I'll take NOAA's science over your uninformed opinion every day of the week.

What you call cooked data is an adjustment to make the data more accurate....



Really?

How do you know?
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Old 08-27-2015, 03:18 AM
 
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I'll tell you what, I'll take NOAA's science over your uninformed opinion every day of the week.

What you call cooked data is an adjustment to make the data more accurate....

Maybe you could explain why you trust people who keep changing data.

Isn`t what NOAA presents as a temperature record just their opinion of what they think it probably was?
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Old 08-27-2015, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Maybe you could explain why you trust people who keep changing data.

Isn`t what NOAA presents as a temperature record just their opinion of what they think it probably was?
No... http://www.noaa.gov/features/02_moni..._stations.html
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Old 08-27-2015, 10:49 PM
 
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What did you expect them to say?


From your link...

"No. Even if NOAA did not have weather observing stations across the United States, the impacts of the warming are clear and present. For example, lake and river ice is melting earlier in the spring and forming later in the fall"

http://www.noaa.gov/features/02_moni..._stations.html








"The year's lake ice was one for the record books. This was the latest complete melt on the Great Lakes since NOAA started keeping records back in the 1970s. The season also saw the second-highest amount of ice ever recorded, with just over 92% covering the five bodies of water at the beginning of March, coming close to the all-time record 94% coverage seen in 1979. This year also broke the record for the most ice seen so late in the season, with over one-third of the lakes still covered in ice on April 23."

It's June 7 and the Great Lakes Are Finally Ice-Free

"Although the 2013-14 winter came in second place to 1979's all-time record extent of 94.7%, last winter's ice broke the record for its longevity. Incredibly, ice lasted until June 5th on Lake Superior!"

Another Solid One: Winter 2014-2015 Great Lakes Ice Review | WeatherWorks


The Great Lakes Still Mostly Covered In Ice | The Daily Caller

Great Lakes ice cover over 88%
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