Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 11-02-2013, 03:15 PM
 
20,187 posts, read 23,900,589 times
Reputation: 9284

Advertisements

I think its funny that so many lawsuits and multiple different findings and liberals love this law that increase everyone's healthcare costs.... You really have to love liberalism to love something that has caused a lot of problems...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 11-02-2013, 03:16 PM
 
69,368 posts, read 64,232,612 times
Reputation: 9383
Quote:
Originally Posted by hammertime33 View Post
I don't remember that. I think you're making it up.
its a $1000 a day FINE for non compliance for businesses.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-02-2013, 03:18 PM
 
69,368 posts, read 64,232,612 times
Reputation: 9383
Quote:
Originally Posted by urbanlife78 View Post
Or they will side with the courts that have ruled it constitutional.
Using the argument that its a tax, which wasnt argued as a reason its unconstitional. Thats the next lawsuit making its way through the court...

We all know tax increases MUST pass in the House first.. and just like you've argued that the Senate couldnt pass a spending bill prior to the House (during the government shut down, and they proved you wrong), they will most likely rule the Constitution needs to be upheld and rule the whole dam thing illegal. Then will your precious Obamacare be, especially given millions are losing insurance as we speak..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-02-2013, 03:22 PM
 
14,917 posts, read 13,126,717 times
Reputation: 4828
Quote:
Originally Posted by pghquest View Post
its a $1000 a day FINE for non compliance for businesses.
And what does that have to do with the OP's statement that liberals claimed if the Individual Mandate portion of Obamacare were deemed constitutional that it therefore meant every other portion of Obamacare was also constitutional?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-02-2013, 03:32 PM
 
69,368 posts, read 64,232,612 times
Reputation: 9383
Quote:
Originally Posted by hammertime33 View Post
And what does that have to do with the OP's statement that liberals claimed if the Individual Mandate portion of Obamacare were deemed constitutional that it therefore meant every other portion of Obamacare was also constitutional?
Sure looks like thats exactly what people have said..

Or they will side with the courts that have ruled it constitutional.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-02-2013, 03:50 PM
 
9,470 posts, read 6,984,671 times
Reputation: 2178
Quote:
Originally Posted by urbanlife78 View Post
Or they will side with the courts that have ruled it constitutional.
Why would they? What possible interest has the state in forcing someone to provide something against their religion? Remember, the "congress shall make no regarding the establishment of religion" rule applies both ways. The government cannot decide what IS a legitimate religious belief and what is not - it is prohibited from doing so.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-02-2013, 03:54 PM
 
14,917 posts, read 13,126,717 times
Reputation: 4828
Quote:
Originally Posted by pghquest View Post
Sure looks like thats exactly what people have said..
Where? Provide one link in which a liberal has said that the Individual Mandate being ruled constitutional means the other 3000 provisions (or however many there are) of Obamacare are therefore also constitutional.

Quote:
Or they will side with the courts that have ruled it constitutional.
Haha - you think this proves your point?

Right now, 2 circuits have held that the Birth Control Provision is constitutional and 2 circuits have held that the Birth Control Provision is unconstitutional. The Supreme Court will have to chose one side or the other - that's all that quote says.

And if you think about it, the quote you provided proves my point. If a liberal said "The Court ruled the Individual Mandate constitutional, and therefore all of Obamacare is constitutional" how could the liberal then say "but the Court still has to determine whether the Birth Control Provision is constitutional or not, and it could go with either side in the circuit split."

If a liberal said what you and the OP claims us liberals were saying, then our response to these court cases about the Birth Control Provision would be something like "These appeals courts have no business hearing these cases - when the US Supreme Court ruled the Individual Mandate constitutional, it ruled all of Obamacare constitutional, including the Birth Control Provision."

Notice how we're not saying that.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-02-2013, 03:54 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
10,581 posts, read 9,803,664 times
Reputation: 4174
Quote:
Originally Posted by pnwmdk View Post
The government cannot decide what IS a legitimate religious belief and what is not - it is prohibited from doing so.
The government also cannot decide what is a legitimate health insurance policy and what is not... though it seems just fine with doing exactly that, making laws saying policies that don't have certain features (maternity care for old men etc.) are now illegal, while ones that do have it, are legal under Obamacare.

That hasn't stopped the liberals yet. What makes you think a mere matter of religion will?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-02-2013, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Apple Valley Calif
7,474 posts, read 22,910,268 times
Reputation: 5686
hammertime means every time you attempt to defend comrade glitch, you get hammered...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-02-2013, 04:30 PM
 
69,368 posts, read 64,232,612 times
Reputation: 9383
Quote:
Originally Posted by hammertime33 View Post
Where? Provide one link in which a liberal has said that the Individual Mandate being ruled constitutional means the other 3000 provisions (or however many there are) of Obamacare are therefore also constitutional.

Haha - you think this proves your point?

Right now, 2 circuits have held that the Birth Control Provision is constitutional and 2 circuits have held that the Birth Control Provision is unconstitutional. The Supreme Court will have to chose one side or the other - that's all that quote says.

And if you think about it, the quote you provided proves my point. If a liberal said "The Court ruled the Individual Mandate constitutional, and therefore all of Obamacare is constitutional" how could the liberal then say "but the Court still has to determine whether the Birth Control Provision is constitutional or not, and it could go with either side in the circuit split."

If a liberal said what you and the OP claims us liberals were saying, then our response to these court cases about the Birth Control Provision would be something like "These appeals courts have no business hearing these cases - when the US Supreme Court ruled the Individual Mandate constitutional, it ruled all of Obamacare constitutional, including the Birth Control Provision."

Notice how we're not saying that.
So you'll only listen to a "link" as validation and not read what the hell THEY WROTE? You havent proved a point other than in your own lala brain.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top