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-The economy isn't actually improving. It's a magic trick employing massive injections of cash. People who believe the economy is better have no clue how BIG $85B PER MONTH actually is. Even at that, it's been marginal because the money is only pumping the markets, which has little effect on 75% of the citizens, except to inflate the cost of living; which is also a fictitious number being cooked. Gas, food, clothes, and energy are all inflated... yet we have very little inflation?
This is how you introduced yourself to this debate:
That is a very disingenuous statement, that I believe, is motivated by the desire to diminish the role of whites and racism and to make it an issue of "class". You see.....this is the revisionist narrative that is gaining momentum and seeks to sanitize the history of white racism as something that existed.....but yet responsible for no ills. Hence, your attempt to create racial equivalence honors that narrative. In other words, whites and blacks were equally guilty and equally complicit in the same thing, which is fleeing Detrot.
Now....I NEVER said that your quote above was NOT TRUE.....did I? It is as true as saying that both Republicans and Democrats voted for Obama and supported ObamaCare. While both statements are superficially true, they purposely hide and distort the OVERWHELMING TRUTH that Republicans were against Obama and ObamaCare and that it was whites primarily fleeing the city of Detroit, that is responsible for the large drop in Detroit's population and hence revenue decline.
The truth is that there used to be 1.6 million whites in the city of Detroit. Today there is less than 100,000. Case closed. It was not a CLASS phenomenon like you try to make it seem......it was RACIAL because poor, middle class and rich whites fled the city of Detroit and poor whites moved into many downriver communities or out in many suburban trailer parks. Your original quote totally ignored that poor whites moved out of Detroit too. Why did it ignore that FACT? The reason is because it would destroy the RACIAL EQUIVALENCE you were attempting to construct, because it would tilt the causation towards whites and not blacks and whites equally. Furthermore, why focus on the exceptions to the rule, when trying to explain the big picture? What is the point of pointing out the very small middle class black population and its behavior, back then? Does any of that exonerate the existence and impact of white racism? Yeah....some blacks did not like and looked down upon other blacks....but some whites did not like and looked down upon other whites....while white society was looking down on and oppressing blacks BUT BLACKS WERE NOT OPPRESSING WHITES AND NEVER HAVE. Blacks were integrating while most whites were segregating by vacating.
It seems to me that what you are implying is that if more blacks had the means that they would have fled Detroit too. Well, the fact that more blacks did not have the means was a function of RACISM. There was only a tiny black middle class back then due to the fact that society was so much more racist back then. Hence, one cannot debunk or minimize racism by implying that blacks were not more mobile due to class when racism is what put them disproportionately in the lower class. Secondly, it is not like that the suburbs were welcoming to blacks back then or that banks were not redlining and real estate agents and companies were not guilty of racial steering or that home owners and builders were not reluctant, if not refusing, to sell to blacks. Blacks were not welcome in the Detroit suburbs.
Now....there is Southfield, Michigan, which is nearly 80% b?lack and solid Middle CLASS. Why did whites flee Southfield and why are not whites moving to Southfield. Why don't whites attend one of the best high schools in Michigan, Renaissance high school, in larger numbers? Why, today, do whites pull their kids out of schools when the percentage of the school becomes more black? Where I live now, there is open enrollment across districts. One can clearly see the decline in white student population, over the last several years, when the black population in the school starts to rise. So this FLEEING behavior has not stopped.
You are entitled to your opinion of course, but the notion that white racism keeps blacks out of the middle class seems dated. I would guess it has far more to do with lack of educational attainment, work ethic, skills, etc. Someone is stabbing them in the back, but I'd bet money their own fingerprints are on the knife more often than not.
You are entitled to your opinion of course, but the notion that white racism keeps blacks out of the middle class seems dated. I would guess it has far more to do with lack of educational attainment, work ethic, skills, etc. Someone is stabbing them in the back, but I'd bet money their own fingerprints are on the knife more often than not.
Yeah...yeah....but such dissent always remains superficial for a purpose. The question you refuse to entertain, for what it may say or reveal about you if you did, is why would blacks happen to have an inferior work ethic, educational attainment, skills, ect, relative to whites? If one assumes that blacks have equal ability, as a result of genetics, as whites, what then accounts for blacks not having the same work ethic as whites, the same education levels as whites, the same skills as whites? If something external like a racist environment or legacy did not break the equality, then is the inequality internal and natural? Are blacks simply lazier than whites?
This is how you introduced yourself to this debate:
That is a very disingenuous statement, that I believe, is motivated by the desire to diminish the role of whites and racism and to make it an issue of "class". You see.....this is the revisionist narrative that is gaining momentum and seeks to sanitize the history of white racism as something that existed.....but yet responsible for no ills. Hence, your attempt to create racial equivalence honors that narrative. In other words, whites and blacks were equally guilty and equally complicit in the same thing, which is fleeing Detrot.
Now....I NEVER said that your quote above was NOT TRUE.....did I? It is as true as saying that both Republicans and Democrats voted for Obama and supported ObamaCare. While both statements are superficially true, they purposely hide and distort the OVERWHELMING TRUTH that Republicans were against Obama and ObamaCare and that it was whites primarily fleeing the city of Detroit, that is responsible for the large drop in Detroit's population and hence revenue decline.
The truth is that there used to be 1.6 million whites in the city of Detroit. Today there is less than 100,000. Case closed. It was not a CLASS phenomenon like you try to make it seem......it was RACIAL because poor, middle class and rich whites fled the city of Detroit and poor whites moved into many downriver communities or out in many suburban trailer parks. Your original quote totally ignored that poor whites moved out of Detroit too. Why did it ignore that FACT? The reason is because it would destroy the RACIAL EQUIVALENCE you were attempting to construct, because it would tilt the causation towards whites and not blacks and whites equally. Furthermore, why focus on the exceptions to the rule, when trying to explain the big picture? What is the point of pointing out the very small middle class black population and its behavior, back then? Does any of that exonerate the existence and impact of white racism? Yeah....some blacks did not like and looked down upon other blacks....but some whites did not like and looked down upon other whites....while white society was looking down on and oppressing blacks BUT BLACKS WERE NOT OPPRESSING WHITES AND NEVER HAVE. Blacks were integrating while most whites were segregating by vacating.
It seems to me that what you are implying is that if more blacks had the means that they would have fled Detroit too. Well, the fact that more blacks did not have the means was a function of RACISM. There was only a tiny black middle class back then due to the fact that society was so much more racist back then. Hence, one cannot debunk or minimize racism by implying that blacks were not more mobile due to class when racism is what put them disproportionately in the lower class. Secondly, it is not like that the suburbs were welcoming to blacks back then or that banks were not redlining and real estate agents and companies were not guilty of racial steering or that home owners and builders were not reluctant, if not refusing, to sell to blacks. Blacks were not welcome in the Detroit suburbs.
Now....there is Southfield, Michigan, which is nearly 80% b?lack and solid Middle CLASS. Why did whites flee Southfield and why are not whites moving to Southfield. Why don't whites attend one of the best high schools in Michigan, Renaissance high school, in larger numbers? Why, today, do whites pull their kids out of schools when the percentage of the school becomes more black? Where I live now, there is open enrollment across districts. One can clearly see the decline in white student population, over the last several years, when the black population in the school starts to rise. So this FLEEING behavior has not stopped.
Of course prejudice played a part. Part of it was White Racism. Part of it was socio-economic. Middle Class balcks that were there before the Great Migration fled in just as big of numbers. Facts. As the lower middle class moved to the first row of suburbs like Inkster and etc...the middle class pushed further out...White and Black.
Renaissance High School? Do you know that it is a magnet school that selectively admits students that it pulls specifically from DPS -- from specific school districts that are minority and you are shocked that it is minority???
Renaissance does well. Has 31.8% of its kids "college ready" -- above the state average. Why would a middle class kid in a suburb choose to switch into DPS and then hope to be admitted into Renaissance, when his/her school in the suburbs is closer and statistically most likely better?
-The economy isn't actually improving. It's a magic trick employing massive injections of cash. People who believe the economy is better have no clue how BIG $85B PER MONTH actually is. Even at that, it's been marginal because the money is only pumping the markets, which has little effect on 75% of the citizens, except to inflate the cost of living; which is also a fictitious number being cooked. Gas, food, clothes, and energy are all inflated... yet we have very little inflation? Politicians wouldn't know how to tell the truth for their lives.
You're right.
Just to put it into a slightly different perspective, $85 billion per month is.....
$1.96 million a MINUTE. Every day.
More money than most people will make in 40 years of working, all crammed into one minute.
In the short term maybe but long term is much worse. More debt, more money printing, more inflation, more outsourcing, more automation and more wealth concentration.
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